U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Massachusetts > Boston
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-19-2017, 07:51 AM
 
7,031 posts, read 6,720,279 times
Reputation: 4704

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade View Post
I think you can serve 48 square miles with transit easily. DC does it with their 60sq mikes. NYC covers at least 48 of its 330+ square mikes. Boston converse Brookline and newton more than sufficiently with the green line. LOOK AT THE GREENLINE.
My impression as that METRO is pretty weak especially in areas like the SE Quadrant, that it is more suburban oriented. Does NYC's really serve all areas, like Staten Island? The Greenline in Brookline and Newton...that is what's left of the street car/trolley system that once served all of metro Boston. Why that survived and others didn't is mostly due to the high student population and other political forces where we will not go today.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade View Post
South Philadelphia hell even north Philadelphia has nightlife.

Northeast D.C. Has nightlife.
Aren't those more dangerous than Boston?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade View Post
Boston believes that having propel out at night will increase crime, NO. Forfeiting the street over to thugs as soon as it start to get dark increases crime. Foot traffic increases witnesses, and police activity. Also the streets of Boston get super dark at night because it still thinks of itself as a town in some ways. Better lighting in the DRM. The lack of anything for professionals to do in the area means their unaffected because they stay inside or somewhere else in the Boston metro at night.

I had my girlfriend over Thursday night nd we were going to walk from Centre Street and dot Ave to the 7 eleven in ashmont at about 11:30 pm she is not from Boston but has seen and heard things that make her skeptical of the area. She wasn't sure about going out to ashmont at that time of the night I assured here she'd be okay with me and ashmont area hadn't had any serious activity in a few months. on the way back a homeless man sort of came up behind us screaming something in coherent and startled us but we were okay...mind you not a single store was open aside from 7/11.

The next day a woman was shot in the head about midnight on Van Winkle Street right next to ashmont. My question is had there been a little more foot trafic next to a MAJOR TRANSPORTATION HUB for southern Boston on a Friday night. Would the area be safer? I think so. They're bringing in more apartments and an organic grocery store but I don't know how much good that does for safety when we know where the gangs are and we know there are also many professionals in ashmont. It just seems like we forfeit the space over to the lowlife at night.
I agree but other than adding more some more lighting, what can the city really do to "force" nightlife on a community? I can't say I know a whole lot about the local zoning and city ordinances these days, but have they tried creating nightclub districts or areas where later hours are permitted and that stuff would be encouraged? Have neighbors shot it down? Or is it just they don't think there is the demand, or lack of interest from the local business community? The perception that an area is dominated by thugs, is not exactly encouraging to one looking to open a nightspot. It's a liability and logistical nightmare, especially if the city can't guarantee safety.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-19-2017, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Boston
1,140 posts, read 863,206 times
Reputation: 1192
Quote:
Originally Posted by massnative71 View Post
My impression as that METRO is pretty weak especially in areas like the SE Quadrant, that it is more suburban oriented. Does NYC's really serve all areas, like Staten Island? The Greenline in Brookline and Newton...that is what's left of the street car/trolley system that once served all of metro Boston. Why that survived and others didn't is mostly due to the high student population and other political forces where we will not go today.


Aren't those more dangerous than Boston?



I agree but other than adding more some more lighting, what can the city really do to "force" nightlife on a community? I can't say I know a whole lot about the local zoning and city ordinances these days, but have they tried creating nightclub districts or areas where later hours are permitted and that stuff would be encouraged? Have neighbors shot it down? Or is it just they don't think there is the demand, or lack of interest from the local business community? The perception that an area is dominated by thugs, is not exactly encouraging to one looking to open a nightspot. It's a liability and logistical nightmare, especially if the city can't guarantee safety.
Dudley Square used to be a major nightlife area, as were areas in the South End.... as for Dot and Mattapan I don't know. Northeast DC crime is from what i garner roughly equivalent to Dorchester/Mattapan I think SE is the quadrant that's the very very dangerous one. But Dc certainly has more stop in its poorer areas than Boston which has led to a more holistic gentrification and honestly, I don't know about nightlife as an answer but I don't think it could hurt. North and South Philly yes I would think they're more dangerous than Dorchester/Roxbury how significantly I am unsure. Even with all this being said there were just reports of shots fired with shell casings found at 940 (about an hour ago) in the Franklin Field project so obviously its not a strictly night time phenomena. The anecdotes i've heard from family is that there was an effort to crack down on black entertainment areas/divestment and business decline in those area during/after bussing and again early in the Menino era due to crime and the crack/post-crack years.
Attached Thumbnails
How did Boston LOWER its crime rate?!-ames.jpg  
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-19-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
7,900 posts, read 6,832,090 times
Reputation: 6635
Nightlife cannot be mandated by the city. Nor should it. People put their own money on the line to open bars and clubs and whatnot. If they legitimately fear that opening an establishment in a given area will not be profitable or makes you prone to theft or vandalism, why would anyone open up? Places don't thrive with good nightlife until business owners and customers aren't afraid of dealing with crime.

I personally think this focus on nightlife is overrated. Was it last year or maybe two years ago now, remember within maybe a month or two there was a shooting at Boston Beer Works on Brookline and Yawkey, then that MBTA worker was shot and killed on Thanksgiving near Who's on first on Yawkey? Not all nightlife is created equal.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-19-2017, 09:48 AM
 
32,778 posts, read 22,726,695 times
Reputation: 29800
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjimmy24 View Post
Nightlife cannot be mandated by the city. Nor should it. People put their own money on the line to open bars and clubs and whatnot.


It can be (see KC, MO power and light district for an example), but I agree it shouldn't be.


Still, it is often restricted by government, and often along racial lines, with the control of liquor licenses.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2016 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Massachusetts > Boston
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top