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Old 05-15-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Treat the addicts, hang the dealers.
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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Treat the addicts, hang the dealers.
Starting with the Pharma companies that started this mess?
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:22 AM
 
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Just eliminate dealers entirely. Get the crime out of this. And then, with a regulated supply, you'd avoid most of these overdoses due to knowing the content of the drug and the strength.
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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Just eliminate dealers entirely. Get the crime out of this. And then, with a regulated supply, you'd avoid most of these overdoses due to knowing the content of the drug and the strength.
Why do they need drugs? We never used to need drugs. They need to learn to not take drugs in the first place and to get off drugs. We don't want a country of drug addicts who we will be supporting because they are unable to work.

The dealers can go to jail --for life.
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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Why do they need drugs? We never used to need drugs. They need to learn to not take drugs in the first place and to get off drugs. We don't want a country of drug addicts who we will be supporting because they are unable to work.

The dealers can go to jail --for life.
People take opioid drugs to relieve pain. You don't need to relieve pain, it's just a nice thing to be able to do. Just because we didn't have them before doesn't mean they aren't good. The child mortality rate used to hover around 350/1000 children dead before age 5. It's now in the single digits. We don't need for children to survive past infancy, but it's a nice perk of living in modern society.

Unfortunately, they are somewhere between very and extremely addictive. Not for everyone, but for some.

And people have been using drugs for centuries (or more). Even when they don't use it for immediate physical pain, they are often used for emotional pain or just for fun. People are weird.
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Why do they need drugs? We never used to need drugs. They need to learn to not take drugs in the first place and to get off drugs. We don't want a country of drug addicts who we will be supporting because they are unable to work. .

Great. I agree. Lets do the things that need to be done where to get us where youth in our society don't seek out drugs. Several countries, Iceland being the one most prominently written about, have done just that. I'm all for making that investment in our society!


And yeah, people have been using mind altering substances for millennia, in every culture (save perhaps the Inuit), so at its core, it is nothing new.
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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People take opioid drugs to relieve pain. You don't need to relieve pain, it's just a nice thing to be able to do. Just because we didn't have them before doesn't mean they aren't good. The child mortality rate used to hover around 350/1000 children dead before age 5. It's now in the single digits. We don't need for children to survive past infancy, but it's a nice perk of living in modern society.

Unfortunately, they are somewhere between very and extremely addictive. Not for everyone, but for some.

And people have been using drugs for centuries (or more). Even when they don't use it for immediate physical pain, they are often used for emotional pain or just for fun. People are weird.
I meant drugs for recreational use. Of course people need drugs for extreme pain. And that's another thing these druggies are affecting: people who have a legitimate need for pain medication have a hard time getting it due to others who think pain pills are "fun." I've been on pain pills after a surgery but not for fun.

This idea of getting high all the time wasn't prevalent in our society until recent years. Probably always on the fringes of society, even in ancient times, but never has it been like this. You'd think that in a first world country like this, some genius would come up with an idea of how to stop this from happening.

Legalizing it for everyone, pain or no pain, isn't the answer because that would lead to a country full of addicts who sponge off the rest of us for everything--and I do mean everything. They can't hold a job so the rest of us would be responsible for everything from housing to feeding to treating and everything in between.
And the idea of some person high on drugs slamming their car into one of your loved ones isn't a palatable thought either. It needs to stop.
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:47 PM
 
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This idea of getting high all the time wasn't prevalent in our society until recent years. Probably always on the fringes of society, even in ancient times, but never has it been like this. You'd think that in a first world country like this, some genius would come up with an idea of how to stop this from happening.


I don't understand why you believe this. Heck, doctors were prescribing uppers to people all throughout the 20th century, heck, there was mainstream advertising tranquilizers to housewives in magazines in the 50s!


And we do know how to stop it from happening. We're just not willing to make the investment.
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Old 05-15-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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I don't understand why you believe this. Heck, doctors were prescribing uppers to people all throughout the 20th century, heck, there was mainstream advertising tranquilizers to housewives in magazines in the 50s!


And we do know how to stop it from happening. We're just not willing to make the investment.
Tranquilizers to housewives, yes, but young people weren't dying in the streets from overdoses. Drugs weren't widespread like they are today. Kids weren't breaking into houses to steal money for drugs. These days everyone seems to know someone who's on drugs, has kids who are on drugs, a friend who's on drugs, knows a kid who's died from drugs.

I do agree that probably the pills prescribed back then could have been the start of it--but how do we stop it now? It was never this bad.
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Old 05-15-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Tranquilizers to housewives, yes, but young people weren't dying in the streets from overdoses. Drugs weren't widespread like they are today. Kids weren't breaking into houses to steal money for drugs. These days everyone seems to know someone who's on drugs, has kids who are on drugs, a friend who's on drugs, knows a kid who's died from drugs.

I do agree that probably the pills prescribed back then could have been the start of it--but how do we stop it now? It was never this bad.
People were dying way back. Uppers./speed were common. Opiate use was heavy in the 1800s and early 1900s (laudanum, etc). Addiction was common. There was no lack of addicts in the 30s, 50s, 70s, 90s, etc. It just wasn't talked about.


Well, by criminalizing it we've made it worse. Much much worse. That promotes crime to get money for the overpriced drugs. It promotes overdoses by not having quality control. It prevents people from getting treatment.


Iceland, the country I mentioned earlier, cut teen drink from the 40% range, to low single digits. Drug use as similarily been slashed. How? Invest in stress relief activities and creative healthy outlets, and situations where they can get natural, healthy "highs" such as through art and exercise.


We don't want to spend that money. We want to cut those expenses. We want to blame blame blame.


There is more money for corporations to make through treating the problem than through preventing it, plus, we have this idiotic mindset in this country that's is a moral issue, or if you punish people enough they'll get "scared straight". It doesn't work, it has never worked. We need to change our mindset and stop trying to threaten people into compliance.

And this isn't just with drugs. We don't subscribe to prevention in our society with health care. We promote treating the problem after the problem is created.
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