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Old 07-20-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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Ashmont, Neponset, and Savin Hill in Dorchester.

I still can't name a desirable neighborhood in Roxbury.
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:01 AM
 
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Saying savin hill today is what southie was 5 yrs ago seems like a huge stretch. Loads of people have never heard of savin hill whereas southie is a household name. Savin hill has been up and coming for a while but it still has a ways to go.

Southie has been a hot/desirable place to live for over 15 yrs. Many people would still be scared of savin hill because it's in dorchester.

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Old 07-22-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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Saying savin hill today is what southie was 5 yrs ago seems like a huge stretch. Loads of people have never heard of savin hill whereas southie is a household name. Savin hill has been up and coming for a while but it still has a ways to go.

Southie has been a hot/desirable place to live for over 15 yrs. Many people would still be scared of savin hill because it's in dorchester.
People are already paying $500/sqft for run-down triple deckers, can you even imagine how much it's going to be once they stop being scared?
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Old 07-23-2017, 11:55 AM
 
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right the area is of course overpriced...and I'm not sure I see prices going down there anytime soon.
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Old 07-23-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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People are already paying $500/sqft for run-down triple deckers, can you even imagine how much it's going to be once they stop being scared?
Some new mixed use development is planned at the South Bay center. That could help facilitate the gentrification of the surrounding area.
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Old 07-23-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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right the area is of course overpriced...and I'm not sure I see prices going down there anytime soon.
I don't agree with the premise of this thread that Roxbury and Dorchester have a bad rap in the first place. Do they really? I'm sure there are many people who wouldn't consider living in a historically minority-majority neighborhood. But that cocktail chatter isn't really an accurate measure of a neighborhoods desirability. There's a measure out there for desirability that doesn't lie, housing costs.

Rentals in Fort Hill, Roxbury are more expensive than comparable rentals in JP pretty much across the board. It's still cheaper to buy in Fort Hill than JP but not buy much, and how long is that going to last, given the connection between rentals and home sales.

Broad swaths of Dorchester are pricey as well, Savin Hill in particular. Lower Mills can be pricey and that's really Mattapan. The general sentiment about the reputation of certain places on this board seem to clash with those of the community at large.

There are all kind of reasons that areas of Roxbury and Dorchester communities have been as hot as they are. A lot of it is location and commuting options.
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:31 PM
 
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To many people yes dorchester and even more so Roxbury have a bad rep. If you grew up in area chances are neither area is on your list for places to settle down and have a family.
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:43 PM
 
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I also have never seen anyone refer to lower mills as Mattapan and I have family on both sides from dorchester. Lower mills is near cedar grove cemetery and it's definitely dorchester. That area has a lot of new cute shops and restaurants. The old baker chocolate factory is there and is now condos, there is a water view and it also runs into a wealthy section of Milton.
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Old 07-24-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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To many people yes dorchester and even more so Roxbury have a bad rep. If you grew up in area chances are neither area is on your list for places to settle down and have a family.
You could find people who don't like every area of town for one reason or another. The demand for areas of Dorchester and Roxbury as expressed in rental and home prices is well above the median for homes in Boston. These areas are by definition desirable -- people spend more to live in them, instead of spending less to live elsewhere.

The BRA planning district for Mattapan runs right up to the old baker chocolate factory.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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You could find people who don't like every area of town for one reason or another. The demand for areas of Dorchester and Roxbury as expressed in rental and home prices is well above the median for homes in Boston. These areas are by definition desirable -- people spend more to live in them, instead of spending less to live elsewhere.

The BRA planning district for Mattapan runs right up to the old baker chocolate factory.

Rental prices do not necessarily = desirability, especially in areas with a high prevalence of Section 8 and other non-market rate housing. I'm not sure how much that influences Dorchester and Roxbury today, but even when Roxbury was considered a war zone; it still had higher market rate rents than neighborhoods like Brighton and West Roxbury.
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