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Old 07-28-2017, 03:53 PM
 
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So I have a question. Owners here are complaining about the cost of deleading and I can understand it's a big expense. But the requirement has been around for over 20 years - why wasn't it done before the stricter/more expensive rules came into place? 10 years ago it probably would have cost so much less and let's face it, most of the rental units aren't going to have uber beautiful moldings that one would have wanted to keep.
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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So I have a question. Owners here are complaining about the cost of deleading and I can understand it's a big expense. But the requirement has been around for over 20 years - why wasn't it done before the stricter/more expensive rules came into place? 10 years ago it probably would have cost so much less and let's face it, most of the rental units aren't going to have uber beautiful moldings that one would have wanted to keep.
Simply because 1 in 20 applicants have kids under 6 and demand is still good. Easier to take next tenant than to drop 20k
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Old 07-28-2017, 08:18 PM
 
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Right and even of the cost were 5k today that's not exactly chump change to most people. Heck even if it were 1k it's easier to find someone else. So whatever it was 10 to 15 yrs ago it was still easier to find someone else rather than pay. Also I'm sure there are plenty of landlords who have sucked it up and paid the fee!
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Old 07-28-2017, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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Simply because 1 in 20 applicants have kids under 6 and demand is still good. Easier to take next tenant than to drop 20k
That only works if you violate the fair housing act, which you seem to openly admit to doing. Are you worried about possible repercussions, or have you deemed those so unlikely that you can ignore them?
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:18 AM
 
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That only works if you violate the fair housing act, which you seem to openly admit to doing. Are you worried about possible repercussions, or have you deemed those so unlikely that you can ignore them?
if demand is high, you can time the showings to have at least 2 or 3 people look at it on the same day. Sit across the road in your car and don't come out if they have kids. Cannot be proved

Look, I'm not saying this is ethical but this is the un-intended consequences the law has created.
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Old 07-29-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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if demand is high, you can time the showings to have at least 2 or 3 people look at it on the same day. Sit across the road in your car and don't come out if they have kids. Cannot be proved

Look, I'm not saying this is ethical but this is the un-intended consequences the law has created.
The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, there's plenty of feel-good laws with really awful consequences.
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, there's plenty of feel-good laws with really awful consequences.
The rental law should be similar to the procedures used when buying a lead-laced house:
The renter has to sign a form which clearly states there is likely lead(in every language under the sun including Braille and verbal), which can cause issues with children under 6 or pregnant women. The renter can refuse to rent but for some oddball reason the states thinks renters are too dumb to read and are not responsible for their own actions.
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Old 07-30-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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No one is forced to be a landlord. I don't feel sorry for them whatsoever.
Who is asking anyone to feel sorry for landlords? I am simply talking about what the reality is of the business.

All landlords "discriminate" by making a choice among who they want to interview to be tenants for whatever reasons- be they financial or based on pets or whatever- if you don't understand the reality of that- too bad. They pick the best choice available.
Tenant quality varies widely.

If you were a landlord and you had any brains, trust me, you'd do the same. Otherwise, you'd be out of business as soon as your place was destroyed by bad tenants or you went bankrupt because of a drawn out eviction.
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Who is asking anyone to feel sorry for landlords? I am simply talking about what the reality is of the business.

All landlords "discriminate" by making a choice among who they want to interview to be tenants for whatever reasons- be they financial or based on pets or whatever- if you don't understand the reality of that- too bad. They pick the best choice available.
Tenant quality varies widely.

If you were a landlord and you had any brains, trust me, you'd do the same. Otherwise, you'd be out of business as soon as your place was destroyed by bad tenants or you went bankrupt because of a drawn out eviction.
I'm starting to wonder if this is why 'brokers' can stay in business in the rental space. The landlord tells the broker 'wink wink' that the unit is NOT de-leaded and the broker will simply not show this unit to their clients with kids. If the broker only keeps a record of available units in their head and the unit is not advertised anywhere else, there would be simply no way this could be proven in court

The only way to stop this madness is to alter the lead-law restrictions and put some responsibility to the renter. If the renter knowingly rents a lead-laced apartment, their child has bigger problems than lead.. ie irresponsible parents who endanger their own kids
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Old 07-30-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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I'm starting to wonder if this is why 'brokers' can stay in business in the rental space. The landlord tells the broker 'wink wink' that the unit is NOT de-leaded and the broker will simply not show this unit to their clients with kids. If the broker only keeps a record of available units in their head and the unit is not advertised anywhere else, there would be simply no way this could be proven in court

The only way to stop this madness is to alter the lead-law restrictions and put some responsibility to the renter. If the renter knowingly rents a lead-laced apartment, their child has bigger problems than lead.. ie irresponsible parents who endanger their own kids
The AG actually has gone after brokers engaged in steering by having people pose as prospective tenants with kids. Lots of brokers in Allston got caught steering.
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