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Old 08-30-2017, 05:51 AM
 
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So with air travel set to increase over the next decade or so, what's their alternative to picking up the slack if they try to reduce vehicle congestion and drop off/pickups?
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Old 08-30-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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Do people just like to complain? Objectively, Logan is one of the better US airports. Centrally located unlike Dulles and Ohare. Relatively modern unlike Laguardia and JFK. And enough volume to attract direct traffic. I concede that Logan compares unfavorably to international airports like Singapore's Changi or Switzerland's Zurich.

Multiple easy public transportation options already exist. I support a fee on pick-ups to reflect the additional congestion and burden that drivers into Logan create. The concept is very similar to congestion pricing; unpopular but very effective for clogged city streets. I frequently drive to Logan to pick up visitors. Though I would be personally financially impacted, I believe it is the right public policy.
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Old 08-30-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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There is not a congestion problem with the roadways leading to the airport themselves, but the bottleneck at the terminals that create backup.

I'm just old enough to remember when people actually parked and went inside to meet incoming flights. Add more hourly parking and at a cheaper rate. MSP does a pretty decent job at moving along idlers, but once they leave people move right back in there and linger. There needs to be zero tolerance for that, maybe post permanent security along the curbs to prevent people from sitting there for more than a few seconds. Maybe they could have a holding area similar to the cab stand, for people "ready to go" after they notify whoever is picking them up from the cell phone lot.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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Massport has agreed to study the proposal in exchange for the Conservation Law Foundation to not oppose Logan's plan for a new parking garage.

IMHO, Massport will consider it and then file the proposal away once the parking garage is built.


Ah, that makes sense.

Even with the hassle, most of the people I've met in Providence so far still choose to fly out of Logan due to the better routes and cheaper fares. But, maybe someday there will be a tipping point.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:35 AM
 
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It's all about the fares. Back when PVD and MHT were cheaper, it was the reverse. People would more often travel from the Boston area to fly out of those airports than the other way around. I suspect that as Logan becomes even more congested, demand will increase at those airports (and Worcester as well) which will bring in more airlines/flights and eventually put a downward pressure on fares. And due to fewer tolls, congestion and parking hassles; people are still willing to pay a little more to fly out of the smaller airports with all other things being equal.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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It's all about the fares. Back when PVD and MHT were cheaper, it was the reverse. People would more often travel from the Boston area to fly out of those airports than the other way around. I suspect that as Logan becomes even more congested, demand will increase at those airports (and Worcester as well) which will bring in more airlines/flights and eventually put a downward pressure on fares. And due to fewer tolls, congestion and parking hassles; people are still willing to pay a little more to fly out of the smaller airports with all other things being equal.

Sure, assuming they also have the non stop routes, etc. But, that, so far, usually isn't the case. People, it seems, understandably are willing to pay a bit more to avoid transfers.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:20 AM
 
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Yes some things are worth complaining about. Flying is already expensive and usually not a great experience, getting to the airport is already a hassle and adding on this just makes things worse. Why the heck wouldn't people complain?
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:20 AM
 
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Sure, assuming they also have the non stop routes, etc. But, that, so far, usually isn't the case. People, it seems, understandably are willing to pay a bit more to avoid transfers.
As I said, all else being equal. I'm primarily talking about people going to D.C., Orlando, Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Philly, etc. which is a big chunk of flyers. But at one point PVD did offer a lot more non-stop routes. As demand comes back, we should slowly see more hopefully.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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Do people just like to complain? Objectively, Logan is one of the better US airports. Centrally located unlike Dulles and Ohare. Relatively modern unlike Laguardia and JFK. And enough volume to attract direct traffic. I concede that Logan compares unfavorably to international airports like Singapore's Changi or Switzerland's Zurich.

Multiple easy public transportation options already exist. I support a fee on pick-ups to reflect the additional congestion and burden that drivers into Logan create. The concept is very similar to congestion pricing; unpopular but very effective for clogged city streets. I frequently drive to Logan to pick up visitors. Though I would be personally financially impacted, I believe it is the right public policy.
The problem with public transportation is its not easy for everyone. Families with kids, the elderly etc can't easily take public transportation to Logan. And from the suburbs the only viable public transportation option is Logan Express which is expensive, time consuming and stressful.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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Yes some things are worth complaining about. Flying is already expensive and usually not a great experience, getting to the airport is already a hassle and adding on this just makes things worse. Why the heck wouldn't people complain?
More importantly, who is this "Conservation Law Foundation" and why should they be holding us all hostage? Logan clearly needs more parking.
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