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Old 10-17-2017, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Boston
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why is it that when we can compare Boston to Berlin Amsterdam Tokyo London and Paris for somethings... but then we have to point to Baltimore, Richmond and Flint to say 'hey our gun crime isnt that bad'???? Why do we never compare t to these "world cities we like to group it with. Furthermore compare gang and gun crime in Boston to Austin, Seattle, Denver, MInneapolis, San Diego, NYC, San Fran and many more and we will be worse-in our own country

At LEAST 180,00 of Boston's 680,000 live in Roxbury Dorchester and Mattapan-nevermind East Boston and adjacent areas of Hyde Park South Boston and Roslindale, where violent crime can be common for a few months out of the year. My only point is this-compared to other world class cities Boston is not really comparable for the majority of its denizens. It is a top tier US city and a very lower tier global city and is by no stretch a bargain for the average US citizen. But for the global elite financial people in the top .5% ...sure-its real steal. Most people have sticker shock when it comes to Boston because outside of New England it is not talked about too much for reasons other than sports and they dont understand the price based of what they've seen and heard. And quite frankly I'd have to agree with them. Great city but just doesnt make much sense financially for most people. But if were talking about people with 2Mil$+to burn sure..

 
Old 10-17-2017, 06:46 PM
 
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why is it that when we can compare Boston to Berlin Amsterdam Tokyo London and Paris for somethings... but then we have to point to Baltimore, Richmond and Flint to say 'hey our gun crime isnt that bad'???? Why do we never compare t to these "world cities we like to group it with. Furthermore compare gang and gun crime in Boston to Austin, Seattle, Denver, MInneapolis, San Diego, NYC, San Fran and many more and we will be worse-in our own country .

Why? Because only we have the NRA and our gun issues are uniquely American...

Actually, our health care issues pretty much are too. Our systems for these two things are such a mess, and so entrenched, it doesn't make sense to compare them to other countries.

That said, I don't see many people comparing Boston to Tokyo or London very much either, those are world class top tier cities.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 05:28 AM
 
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I just moved to PG County. Yea there are some very crappy suburbs here but they're small and they're still suburbs-not cities, there are NO Lawrences and Brocktons and Chelseas here(big-i would have never called them big before-cities with high concentrations of poor and immigrants...In the DMV are you will find many many more large apartment blocks n the wealthy suburbs the middling suburbs and the poorer suburbs. It's hard to find a poor suburb here, many are low income but the poverty rates are single digits. That being said the County government allows for that because development is generally fast tracked here. PGC has some extremely wealthy towns and developments.
On balance the Boston metro is a violent crime rate less than 1/2 that of DMV.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:01 AM
 
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why is it that when we can compare Boston to Berlin Amsterdam Tokyo London and Paris for somethings... but then we have to point to Baltimore, Richmond and Flint to say 'hey our gun crime isnt that bad'???? Why do we never compare t to these "world cities we like to group it with. Furthermore compare gang and gun crime in Boston to Austin, Seattle, Denver, MInneapolis, San Diego, NYC, San Fran and many more and we will be worse-in our own country

At LEAST 180,00 of Boston's 680,000 live in Roxbury Dorchester and Mattapan-nevermind East Boston and adjacent areas of Hyde Park South Boston and Roslindale, where violent crime can be common for a few months out of the year. My only point is this-compared to other world class cities Boston is not really comparable for the majority of its denizens. It is a top tier US city and a very lower tier global city and is by no stretch a bargain for the average US citizen. But for the global elite financial people in the top .5% ...sure-its real steal. Most people have sticker shock when it comes to Boston because outside of New England it is not talked about too much for reasons other than sports and they dont understand the price based of what they've seen and heard. And quite frankly I'd have to agree with them. Great city but just doesnt make much sense financially for most people. But if were talking about people with 2Mil$+to burn sure..
You can't compare Boston to those European cities cause European countries externalized the issues with Colonialization. Imagine if South Africa, The Congo, Mexico or Indonesia were fully intergrated into their mother countries, Brussels, London, Amersterdam and Madrid would be very diffferent places today. The Belgians for all intents and purposes own the violence in the Congo and the Rwandan Genocide.

Historically the US is more like Venezuela or Brazil than England or France.

And in terms of all those US cities, Boston on a metro level is safer than all of them.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 07:30 AM
 
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You can't compare Boston to those European cities cause European countries externalized the issues with Colonialization. Imagine if South Africa, The Congo, Mexico or Indonesia were fully intergrated into their mother countries, Brussels, London, Amersterdam and Madrid would be very diffferent places today. The Belgians for all intents and purposes own the violence in the Congo and the Rwandan Genocide.

Historically the US is more like Venezuela or Brazil than England or France.

And in terms of all those US cities, Boston on a metro level is safer than all of them.
Thats fair for sure. Particularly in similarities with Brazil.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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You can't compare Boston to those European cities cause European countries externalized the issues with colonialization... the US is more like Venezuela or Brazil than England or France.
Now that is an interesting take on it!
 
Old 10-18-2017, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Now that is an interesting take on it!
It's pretty vague. But on the face it appears as mere assertion. I think it sounds more like nonsense, absent an actual explanation.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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You can't compare Boston to those European cities cause European countries externalized the issues with Colonialization. Imagine if South Africa, The Congo, Mexico or Indonesia were fully intergrated into their mother countries, Brussels, London, Amersterdam and Madrid would be very diffferent places today. The Belgians for all intents and purposes own the violence in the Congo and the Rwandan Genocide.

Historically the US is more like Venezuela or Brazil than England or France.

And in terms of all those US cities, Boston on a metro level is safer than all of them.
Aaah. So there are no North Africans in Paris. No Indians in London. No Turks in Frankfurt. I'm glad that's cleared up. What are they, tourists?

The 200 years of immigration to Venezuela and Brazil looks nothing at all like the last 200 years of immigration to the United States. The US was very successful at attracting the smart, motivated people who drove the economy for the last 200 years. It also attracted the unwashed masses but it's the migration of the entrepreneurial class that mattered.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 09:18 AM
 
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Aaah. So there are no North Africans in Paris. No Indians in London. No Turks in Frankfurt. I'm glad that's cleared up. What are they, tourists?

The 200 years of immigration to Venezuela and Brazil looks nothing at all like the last 200 years of immigration to the United States. The US was very successful at attracting the smart, motivated people who drove the economy for the last 200 years. It also attracted the unwashed masses but it's the migration of the entrepreneurial class that mattered.
Other than relativelly unpopulated Algeria those countries allowed for controlled immigration.
Comparatively the United States was a colony. The eqivilant would be Americans in the U.K. The American Slavery, Jim Crow etc were Colonial British legacys much like the Apartide, Caste System, Tutsi/Hutu divide used in order for European masters to effectively harvest their colonies, which one were sheded had much less negative effect on the mother countries than their colonies. All of those have negative social effects still effecting those countries.

The United States, Venezuela, Argentina etc have been free from foreign servitude for similar amounts of time.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 11:00 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Wow, do you not understand what I wrote at all? Sure doesn't seem like it. You really don't seem to be picking up what is being put down. You read exactly the opposite of what I was saying.


Yes, Dallas is great. Car centric sprawling awesomeness. Cheap, car centric, sprawling awesomeness. Great high school football stadiums though.
Again, you told us you don't want to talk about (perceived) cheap real estate. You're contradicting yourself again.
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