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Old 10-19-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Actually coast means all Atlantic and Pacific coast, at a minimum. It's roughly 40% of the population that lives on counties right on the coast, and that land mass is about 10% of the total. While not a true majority of the population directly on the coast, if you consider that it only includes counties directly on the coast, so say, Middlesex county wouldn't be coastal, it's pretty clear that yes, the majority of people live in communities that are along one of the coasts (I think most people would reasonably consider even Worcester Co to be coastal in the grand scheme).
Thanks for the clarification on what you mean. In many conversations, people have varying definitions of what "coast" means.

 
Old 10-19-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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Thanks for the clarification on what you mean. In many conversations, people have varying definitions of what "coast" means.

True, some people would probably include the gulf coast as well.
 
Old 10-19-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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I don't understand the presumption that Boston ought to be affordable to the middle class. Boston is an exceptional city with respect to cultural amenities, education, and work opportunities. The residential valuations reflect that, and in fact, compare favorably relative to many top global cities. Boston is in a different league than the vast majority of other US cities, and attempts to find comparably affordable houses is disingenuous.
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Well then maybe ALL the middle class and lower class people should leave Boston. Let me know how it works out when there's no waiters, no taxis, no retail service staff, no hotel staff and that's just the lower class. Seems some just want slaves at their beckoning and then have them live elsewhere and just come into to town to service the "exceptional" people who are the only ones who DESERVE to have affordable housing.
 
Old 10-19-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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Well then maybe ALL the middle class and lower class people should leave Boston. Let me know how it works out when there's no waiters, no taxis, no retail service staff, no hotel staff and that's just the lower class. Seems some just want slaves at their beckoning and then have them live elsewhere and just come into to town to service the "exceptional" people who are the only ones who DESERVE to have affordable housing.

The most expensive cities in the world still have all of those a plenty. They commute in. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of people have to commute in.

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Old 10-19-2017, 09:24 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I'm actually not, and I know you don't understand why.


But nice attempt at trying to be smart.
Actually you did, and you're story has become tiresome. Thanks for playing, though.
 
Old 10-19-2017, 10:43 PM
 
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Well then maybe ALL the middle class and lower class people should leave Boston. Let me know how it works out when there's no waiters, no taxis, no retail service staff, no hotel staff and that's just the lower class. Seems some just want slaves at their beckoning and then have them live elsewhere and just come into to town to service the "exceptional" people who are the only ones who DESERVE to have affordable housing.
That's exactly the mechanism of real estate prices. It prices the middle and lower class out and they're forced to move out of the desirable areas. The market based economy allocates scarce resources towards those with money. Society assigns the scarcity to the upper income segment. Boston can either build density for some semblance of affordability and diversity, or become the playground for the wealthy like San Francisco.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 05:28 AM
 
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The most expensive cities in the world still have all of those a plenty. They commute in. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of people have to commute in.
Commuting for a service job? LOL. Number one employer is walmart in America. All those service jobs are available OUTSIDE boston as well so no reason to commute for a service job into Boston. Costs to commute would eat away at low wages. As I stated, if lower class workers left boston, the city would fall apart. You NEED them. There should be affordable housing. It's common sense.

And exactly where can you get affordable market housing within reasonable commuting distance from Boston for a service job? Even true middle class are struggling and the middle class is shrinking. Oh and this ridiculous commuting is exactly why we have major infrastructure and traffic problems and urban sprawl. Expanding highways and maintenance costs a fortune and increases as urban sprawl gets worse. That being said, most people commuting are coming in for middle/upper class jobs. In San fran, you have high tech high paid workers that can't even afford the housing. Really REALLY bad thing when people can't afford to house themselves in a city. Bad for the economy for most people and terrible quality of life for the majority. People who defend this model are just afraid to admit failure of free market economics when it comes to housing. It's a worldwide failure as well as people have stated in cities like london and hong kong. It's part of a larger problem of income inequality.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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The most expensive cities in the world still have all of those a plenty. They commute in. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of people have to commute in.
Yep, my daughter commutes across Sydney, one and a half hours each way. Quite enjoys her time on the train. Catches up with her reading and social media. Young people increasingly have to get some help from parents when they buy properties here. In London there is often an extra allowance paid to service workers to help with the cost difference.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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Commuting for a service job? LOL. Number one employer is walmart in America. All those service jobs are available OUTSIDE boston as well so no reason to commute for a service job into Boston. Costs to commute would eat away at low wages. As I stated, if lower class workers left boston, the city would fall apart. You NEED them. There should be affordable housing. It's common sense.

And exactly where can you get affordable market housing within reasonable commuting distance from Boston for a service job? Even true middle class are struggling and the middle class is shrinking. Oh and this ridiculous commuting is exactly why we have major infrastructure and traffic problems and urban sprawl. Expanding highways and maintenance costs a fortune and increases as urban sprawl gets worse. That being said, most people commuting are coming in for middle/upper class jobs. In San fran, you have high tech high paid workers that can't even afford the housing. Really REALLY bad thing when people can't afford to house themselves in a city. Bad for the economy for most people and terrible quality of life for the majority. People who defend this model are just afraid to admit failure of free market economics when it comes to housing. It's a worldwide failure as well as people have stated in cities like london and hong kong. It's part of a larger problem of income inequality.
It's a problem, but evidence (London, HK, NYC, SF) suggests that Boston can get a lot more expensive and still work as a city.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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It's a problem, but evidence (London, HK, NYC, SF) suggests that Boston can get a lot more expensive and still work as a city.
Work for who?
People are stuck renting rabbit cages to live in hong kong. Actual cages.

Rent a closet in SF shared by 60 people!
Apartment Sadness: Rent A $1500 Closet In A House Shared By 60 People: SFist Mostly tech workers

Btw- How much money is spent on subsidized housing in NYC and other high cost cities? Your tax dollars from the Federal goverment paying for this.And much of this tax money ends up back in the hands of developers.

PROFESSIONALS end up stuck in subsidized housing projects in nyc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/n...ng-refuge.html

Anyway you look at this, it's a mess. When police officers are stuck in subsidized housing you know you're in trouble. Hell now we are letting cities including boston BID on giving Amazon billions in tax breaks to locate somewhere when they've likely already decided where they are going. Do small businesses or YOU get these tax breaks? Hell no. Corporate welfare. Disgusting.

It's one thing if it's one area like Beverly hills that's expensive or a certain neighborhood in Boston is expensive, but the entire metro area ends up not being affordable and then you get massive sprawl on top of it which causes further billions of waste in tax dollars to support the sprawl.
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