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Old 09-20-2018, 08:37 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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I'm not broke, and I started contributing to my retirement plan in my early/mid 20s. Probably didn't break 50k till I hit 30. I'm not in the top 1% and never will be. I will continue to build the best life possible for myself, not make excuses like blaming Trump for my inability to get my own consumption under control.
You must be thrilled he has skyrocketed the deficit by giving a short term tax break to people like you and me, while giving permanent tax breaks to the ultra rich and not cutting any spending with a GOP controlled congress.


Conservatives used to care about fiscal discipline. Not anymore! They just want the rich to get richer on the backs of the working people. Lovely values.


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Trump might be awful in every way imaginable but let's be honest, he's the best thing that has ever happened to our 401K accounts.
Not even close. Probably one of the worst things long term. Unless you're withdrawing now, he has been horrible.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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You must be thrilled he has skyrocketed the deficit by giving a short term tax break to people like you and me, while giving permanent tax breaks to the ultra rich and not cutting any spending with a GOP controlled congress.

Conservatives used to care about fiscal discipline. Not anymore! They just want the rich to get richer on the backs of the working people. Lovely values.

I may not agree with it, but I control what I control. The government can't force me to be irresponsible as well, nor will I blame (nor would it be in my interest) it for my own poor choices.



How is this OT?
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Conservatives used to care about fiscal discipline. Not anymore! They just want the rich to get richer on the backs of the working people. Lovely values.


For the record, I do think tax cuts without spending cuts is not an actual cut in any way. We are all paying the inflation tax.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:54 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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For the record, I do think tax cuts without spending cuts is not an actual cut in any way. We are all paying the inflation tax.


The real kicker is that it is a temporary cut for almost all of us (it doesn't look like a cut even for me, according to the IRS calculator), and then a permanent cut for the rich.


And, more spending. There can't be a Republican out there that criticize a Dem for deficits or spending ever again with any legitimacy.


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I may not agree with it, but I control what I control. The government can't force me to be irresponsible as well, nor will I blame (nor would it be in my interest) it for my own poor choices.

Yep, just take what government gives you and claim you don't have any control over it. Right on.

Of course, they'll attack "entitlements" (things that are earned and paid for) to "fix" the problem they created.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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For the record, I do think tax cuts without spending cuts is not an actual cut in any way. We are all paying the inflation tax.

All the reason to DIVERSIFY.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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The real kicker is that it is a temporary cut for almost all of us (it doesn't look like a cut even for me, according to the IRS calculator), and then a permanent cut for the rich.


And, more spending. There can't be a Republican out there that criticize a Dem for deficits or spending ever again with any legitimacy.

Of course, they'll attack "entitlements" (things that are earned and paid for) to "fix" the problem they created.

I'm estimated to save $500 or so a year, yippee. I think the real shocker for many will come in a few months from now when they find out those fewer withholdings in 2018 will come back to bight them when they file.



But it's not a D vs. R thing, our past president was the most reckless to date (this really needs to go to the P&OC forum).
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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Yep, just take what government gives you and claim you don't have any control over it. Right on.

Of course, they'll attack "entitlements" (things that are earned and paid for) to "fix" the problem they created.

No the government doesn't "give me". I have my own HOUSE, my own PIECE OF SOCIETY that I rule. That I buy a $700 iPhone and can't make my rent or put anything away is not the government's doing.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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No the government doesn't "give me". I have my own HOUSE, my own PIECE OF SOCIETY that I rule. That I buy a $700 iPhone and can't make my rent or put anything away is not the government's doing.
Amen.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:32 AM
 
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IMHO going out to eat is the most mindless and frivolous activity that people do. I can buy a weeks worth of groceries and cook better than most places around me for the price of one dinner from a hotshot chef du jour. People instragramming photos of meals they paid for also blows my mind. WOW, great accomplishment. You got ripped off or tater tots. Morons.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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IMHO going out to eat is the most mindless and frivolous activity that people do. I can buy a weeks worth of groceries and cook better than most places around me for the price of one dinner from a hotshot chef du jour. People instragramming photos of meals they paid for also blows my mind. WOW, great accomplishment. You got ripped off or tater tots. Morons.
Last time I went out to eat was 2 weeks ago to Green Briar in Brighton (no offense to Green Briar meant, it's actually probably one of the cheap-middle priced eateries around). I got chicken BLT ($13) a Fiddlehead IPA ($7) and a Wormtown Be Hoppy ($7) tip was probably $6.50 or so. Total for the night (about 1-1.5 hours): $33.50. That's over $30 more or less completely burned, not really memorable in any way. Just hanging out with my girlfriend and her friend for a bit. On a Tuesday. Yesterday, I bought 3-4 days of groceries for $35.

Some people go out and spend that $30 4 nights a week. Some people more. It's really incredible.
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