Boston Census Estimates 2017 (Somerville, Chelsea: living in, restaurants, stores)

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Originally Posted by scorpio516

Technically it does. Black, Not-Hispanic. Semantics aside, Haitians, Brazilians, Jamaicans, Barbadians, Belizians, etc. are considered Hispanic to the census. Central and South Americans are Hispanic, as are other Spanish culture or origin (i.e. Iberian).

BUT it is a self-identity question.

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Yea but the foreign born population as a percentage has held at ~28% since the mid 2000s. I can probably grab the more detailed stats tho, later tonight. I think the foreign born population has been held afloat by more Central American Hispanics than pre say 2005. Puerto Rican’s and Dominicans aren’t the only game in town anymore. Many more Colombians Hondurans and Salvadorans than in the past.

I do also think many southern rooted African Americans have moved back to the South but are also becoming comfortable in South Shore towns around 24 and 128. Bridgewater was estimated at 12% Black and other towns like Holbrook and Avon Are you seeing black populations in the double digits...those are relatively new frontier is compared to Stoughton Milton Randolph And to a much lesser extent Canton.

Originally Posted by tysmith95

Brazilians aren't Hispanic.

hispinic means ancestry from a former spanish colony.

latine means ancestry from a former colony where a romantic language is the official language (italio-fone, franco-fone, hispano-fone).

brazil, cap-verde, suriname are luso-fone; belize, english guyana, jamaica, barbados are anglo-fone; haiti, french guyana are franco-fonie; puerto-ricans are hispanic but arent foreign-born.



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[scorpio516]

Originally Posted by tysmith95

Brazilians aren't Hispanic.

I know there is nothing about Brazil that is Spanish, but according to the US government, Brazilians are Hispanic. Belize has always been English, but it's also Hispanic. Guyana was English and Dutch, and also speak English, but the government considers it Hispanic. Suriname is Dutch, but "Hispanic".
Suriname, Guyana, and Belize aren't even majority Catholic.

According to the US Census, everything in the Western Hemisphere south of the US border is Hispanic

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by scorpio516

I know there is nothing about Brazil that is Spanish, but according to the US government, Brazilians are Hispanic. Belize has always been English, but it's also Hispanic. Guyana was English and Dutch, and also speak English, but the government considers it Hispanic. Suriname is Dutch, but "Hispanic".
Suriname, Guyana, and Belize aren't even majority Catholic.

According to the US Census, everything in the Western Hemisphere south of the US border is Hispanic

This is really not true. Brazil is often considered Latino not Hispanic. These two are not the same things. Latino is pertaining to what is known as Latin America its an association with the 'Latin culture'. Hispanic is about the language. That's why it says Hispanic or Latino. Jamaica Haiti Guyana Barbados is NOT considered by any agency or anyone practically to be Hispanic OR Latino.

Brazilians (especially in MA) often dont identify as Hispanic or Latino but the Census would like to as they are seen as Latino.

From the Census itself:
"The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race" and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity."

Jamaica Haiti Barbados etc. Are in North America not Central.

From Wikipedia:
The Hispanic–Latino naming dispute is an ongoing disagreement over the use of the ethnonyms "Hispanic" and "Latino" to refer collectively to the inhabitants of the United States of America who are of Latin American or Spanish origin—that is, Latino or Hispanic Americans. The usage of both terms has changed to adapt to a wide range of geographical and historical influences. The term "Hispanic" was used first; later, some Hispanics in the western United States came to prefer the term "Latino". The Census does not classify persons of Portuguese or Brazilian descent as Hispanic, as those are Portuguese-speaking populations.[1] According to a 2011 study by the Pew Research Center, the majority (51%) of Hispanic and Latino Americans prefer to identify with their families' country of origin, while only 24% prefer the terms "Hispanic" or "Latino".[2]

While the two terms are sometimes used interchangeably, "Hispanic" is a narrower term that only refers to persons of Spanish-speaking origin or ancestry, while "Latino" is more frequently used to refer generally to anyone of Latin American origin or ancestry, including Brazilians.[3][4][5][6][7] "Hispanic" thus includes persons from Spain and Spanish-speaking Latin Americans but excludes Portuguese and Brazilians.

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What would Belize-an be then? Just curious. Officially English is the official language. But plenty of Spanish there, and of course loads of mixed Native languages still spoken.

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Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

This is really not true. Brazil is often considered Latino not Hispanic. These two are not the same things. Latino is pertaining to what is known as Latin America its an association with the 'Latin culture'. Hispanic is about the language. That's why it says Hispanic or Latino. Jamaica Haiti Guyana Barbados is NOT considered by any agency or anyone practically to be Hispanic OR Latino.

Brazilians (especially in MA) often dont identify as Hispanic or Latino but the Census would like to as they are seen as Latino.

From the Census itself:
"The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race" and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity."

Jamaica Haiti Barbados etc. Are in North America not Central.

From Wikipedia:
The Hispanic–Latino naming dispute is an ongoing disagreement over the use of the ethnonyms "Hispanic" and "Latino" to refer collectively to the inhabitants of the United States of America who are of Latin American or Spanish origin—that is, Latino or Hispanic Americans. The usage of both terms has changed to adapt to a wide range of geographical and historical influences. The term "Hispanic" was used first; later, some Hispanics in the western United States came to prefer the term "Latino". The Census does not classify persons of Portuguese or Brazilian descent as Hispanic, as those are Portuguese-speaking populations.[1] According to a 2011 study by the Pew Research Center, the majority (51%) of Hispanic and Latino Americans prefer to identify with their families' country of origin, while only 24% prefer the terms "Hispanic" or "Latino".[2]

While the two terms are sometimes used interchangeably, "Hispanic" is a narrower term that only refers to persons of Spanish-speaking origin or ancestry, while "Latino" is more frequently used to refer generally to anyone of Latin American origin or ancestry, including Brazilians.[3][4][5][6][7] "Hispanic" thus includes persons from Spain and Spanish-speaking Latin Americans but excludes Portuguese and Brazilians.

haïti is part of latin-america since french-kréyol is a latin based language. i usually dont refer to myself as latine because most people look at me corner-eyed like you dont look puerto-rican ?.

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More diverse but is it any more (or less) integrated? That is the question.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by G-fused

More diverse but is it any more (or less) integrated? That is the question.

Probably more.

Boston was more integrated in 2010 than 2000 and more integrated in 2000 than 1990. The only era of increased segregation was that of rapid black population growth and racial violence, 1960-1980. Since then its become steadily more integrated and I expect very much so since 2010 due to gentrification and increased minority population mobility.

West Roxbury is about 30% minority and 49.7% of its 0-4 year old population are to minorities. 24.6% of 20-24 year-olds in West Roxbury are black.

Source: https://statisticalatlas.com/neighbo...xbury/Overview

In 2000 West Roxbury was 87% white.

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Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

West Roxbury is about 30% minority and 49.7% of its 0-4 year old population are to minorities. 24.6% of 20-24 year-olds in West Roxbury are black.

This is awesome! I never thought I’d see the day..

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by iAMtheVVALRUS

This is awesome! I never thought I’d see the day..

The Largest ethnic group in most Boston neighborhoods is no more than 65%. Indeed whites are the minority of youth in almost every major residential Boston neighborhood except the North End Beacon Hill and Back Bay-the smallest “residential” neighborhoods.

White kids are about 35% of youth in Charlestown and 40-45% in Southie. In most city neighborhoods they’re about 20%. It’s the lack of white children Boston has had for 3 going on four decades that makes the city see declines in white population share even as prices go up and whites move in from other parts of the country. The white population drops off ateeplay after age 4, picks up sharply at age 18 and then begins a a decline again at age 30 and rise again after age 55. In fact whites are majority of only Boston Twenty Somethings and 65+

The outliers in segregation are now just Charlestown Westie Southie all in the low-mid 70% white range. And then there’s Mattapan and the North End. The North End is the most segregated residential neighborhood in the city at 88.2% white followed by Mattapan at 82.8% Black.

[Boston Shudra]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

The outliers in segregation are now just Charlestown Westie Southie all in the low-mid 70% white range. And then there’s Mattapan and the North End. The North End is the most segregated residential neighborhood in the city at 88.2% white followed by Mattapan at 82.8% Black.

The North End is pretty tiny though. I don’t know if it’s fair to compare it with larger neighborhoods like Southie and Mattapan.