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Old 09-11-2019, 05:23 AM
 
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What sad news to wake up to. A true piece of old Boston going down the tubes. The knife twister is the liquor licence was sold to Davio's in the Seaport.

I hate to say it folks. The Boston you remember has been bought and sold by our current union crime lord.
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:02 AM
 
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Very sad to lose this institution ...... hopefully it will be replaced with one of those 3-5 story nondescript 'luxury' condo buildings with a starbucks or a bank on the ground floor.

Although I'm no fan of Mahtttty, I think this is more of a case of the owners cashing out as I believe the Burke family own the bar and the building....double windfall of JP real estate prices and archaic restrictions on liquor licenses.
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:10 AM
 
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maybe the Seaport can be treated as it's own entity at this point. Like, make up a couple hundred of those really arbitrary $600,000 liquor licenses just for that area.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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wow what a sign of the times this is.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Needham, MA
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I love Doyle's! I was so sad to learn this.

Doyle's trivia . . . Doyle's was the first place in the world to serve Sam Adams on draft.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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This is really sad. The area and its residents lose a unique one of a kind local institution with loads of character and history for a bland new location of the Davio's chain that already has several outlets in the area. Making it even worse is that this Davio's will likely not be for locals as it will cater to out of state business visitors attending conventions. Boston and Massachusetts inhabitants lose with this.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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I took my Dad from RI here when he was about 90. Showed him the mural with all the politicians with some going back to his younger days - Honey Fitz, James Michael Curley, JFK, White, Teddy, Flynn, etc...He loved the special atmosphere which unfortunately will never be able to be recreated again elsewhere.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Somerville, MA
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maybe the Seaport can be treated as it's own entity at this point. Like, make up a couple hundred of those really arbitrary $600,000 liquor licenses just for that area.
I think the fact that liquor licenses are very much a hot topic at the city and state level is part of the reason owners are selling. Reds in Roslindale closed last year specifically citing that reason. City Council has proposed repeatedly making access to licenses much easier (therefore lowering opening costs/barriers to entering the market) by adding new ones and making them nontransferable. The issue is that liquor licenses play a huge role in determining the value of existing restaurants. They paid big money to get the licenses, and they'll get big money when they sell them. So adding nontransferable licenses, restricting them to neighborhoods, and (in their eyes) flooding the market with new licenses potentially devalues the licenses for existing businesses. Especially in the outer neighborhoods. That's why Reds left, and it almost certainly plays a role in Doyle's leaving. They all but said it's about capitalizing on peak value now.

Frankly, I think we'll benefit in the long run by having more licenses. I'm not sure about making them nontransferable. Just adding a lot more will help restaurants startup and help with margins. But the downside is that a lot of places may take the path Reds took and it appears Doyle's is taking. I'll miss Doyle's. But I'd be lying if I said I was a regular. I've been a few times (all after Sam Adams visits), but I hate to see places like this go.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Doyle's was an institution to us. I will admit that my attendance has been scarce in recent times because of the better brunch options, But this place truly embodied what these new conglomerates are trying to capture. A cozy diverse place to eat, chat, and have a pint. Have to get 20 people together for an impromptu occasion? yup. Doyle's.



As far as Redd's goes. That guy just wasn't doing good business. He was notorious for blaming waitstaff and even Trump. But truth be told that most nights aside from brunch there just weren't many people in there. He was quick to post his rant about the new neighborhood liquor licensing that would indeed help places, and create some more competition for him. He was also quick to post something about starting the resistance against the Trump election.. Pretty strange seeing that Roslindale is made up of a lot of working class people that do not yet unicycle to work. Not a graceful exit if you ask me.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:59 AM
 
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What sad news to wake up to. A true piece of old Boston going down the tubes. The knife twister is the liquor licence was sold to Davio's in the Seaport.

I hate to say it folks. The Boston you remember has been bought and sold by our current union crime lord.
Sad sad sad.


I still enjoy my trips to Boston, but more as a "tourist" now as opposed to that familiar "coming home" sense. It's a weird feeling.
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