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05-12-2008, 09:21 AM
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Ok..so assuming your numbers are correct, then maybe I'm technically incorrect and MA did have a paltry and anemic net growth of 236K people in 10years. Note that's net growth, which means that number includes illegal aliens, new births, and others who have moved into MA and offset the hundreds of thousands of productive taxpayers that have fled.
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New births count...don't they? So, the "others", as you call them, who have moved into the Atlanta area are more desirable than the "others" who have moved into the Boston Area? Illegals are not counted in census, and I would be willing to bet a lot of money that Georgia has absorbed a substantial number more of illegals than MA has.
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What has the growth in new business been over that 10 years? How many CEOs chose MA as the place to move their business during that period? On the flip side, how many CEOs decided that MA was NOT the place for their business? Ned Johnson of Fidelity Investments would certainly be one of them who chose to leave MA and go to Merrimack, NH, Raleigh, NC, Rhode Island, and Kentucky.
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Agreed. I have read many articles about how Boston is becoming the next Detroit.
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In contrast, during that same time Atlanta (not the entire state, just the metro area) gained more than 2 million people, with many of those being in Cobb, Gwinnett, and north Fulton counties. Many businesses have moved HQ and regional offices to metro Atlanta and GA, which has been a large factor in the population growth.
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That will change within the next few years as the employees of all these corporations that you say are flocking to Atlanta get sick of the traffic, the fuel prices and the loss of natural lands to the runaway suburban sprawl that is ocurring in NW Georgia. I have had the pleasure of flying into Atlanta several times in the past year or two to change planes. I always sit at the window and look out. When I looked out over Atlanta from 30 miles south of the city. Directly below the plane were newly developed suburbs, unpaved cul-de-sacs, and "mcmansions" as far as the eye could see. In ten years Atlanta will be the largest suburb in the world with the world class traffic jams that already exist getting infinitely worse.
Boston is already well sited and established as a generally tight urban center with a good public tansit system in place which will only get better. The small towns surrounding the city retaining the New England charm. A European-style city.
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EDIT: Just saw the comment from TomDot regarding an "inferiority complex". Not at all. In fact, I feel superior for realizing a better quality of life. That tactic of taking a criticism, and instead of dealing with it directly, turing it back on the person making the criticism is a hallmark of left thinking. The implicit statement is that there is no way many in MA could be elitist, so the person making the charge must be the one with a problem. Yeah, as an example, I guess those academic types at Harvard and the Cambridge types are just normal, everyday folks...same with the Beacon Hill crowd... yeah right.
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As I said before, I am a conservative. So your comment about "hallmark of the left" is way off base.
The vast majority of the people in MA are regular people. Anyone with confidence in who they are would not be offended by these "elite" types of people. We laugh at them and try our best to undo the havoc that they wreak. If one of the reasons that you left MA, that you itemized, is because of the elitists. Then the problem is yours!
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05-12-2008, 01:42 PM
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GaWC Leading World Cities, 2004
An attempt to redefine and recategorise leading world cities was made by GaWC in 2004.
Global Cities [8]
Well rounded global cities- Very large contribution: London and New York City.
Smaller contribution and with cultural strengths: Los Angeles, Paris, and San Francisco.
- Incipient global cities: Amsterdam, Boston, Chicago, Madrid, Milan, Moscow, Toronto.
Global niche cities - specialised global contributions- Financial: Hong Kong, Singapore and Tokyo.
- Political and social: Brussels, Geneva and Washington, D.C.
World Cities
Subnet articulator cities- Cultural: Berlin, Copenhagen, Melbourne, Munich, Oslo, Rome, Stockholm.
Political: Bangkok, Beijing, Vienna.
- Social: Manila, Nairobi, Ottawa.
Worldwide leading cities- Primarily economic global contributions: Frankfurt, Miami, Munich, Osaka, Singapore, Sydney, Zurich
- Primarily non-economic global contributions: Abidjan, Addis Ababa, Atlanta, Basel, Barcelona, Cairo, Denver, Harare, Lyon, Manila, Mexico City, Mumbai, New Delhi, Shanghai.
Wow! Atlanta's up there with Manila. LOL!
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05-12-2008, 01:50 PM
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I'm moving back to Houston this summer after my 4th semester at BU! I had a great experience here, but not only is my wallet not lovin' it--I got into some health related trouble. I also gotta be with the family. I'm just wondering if anyone else is coming. If so..where and why are you going?
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After this past winter in MN I am ecstatic to be moving back to TN where my bones can thaw out!!!!....but that's the only reason....other than Cracker Barrell, Waffle House, and Krystal (yum)...funny the things you miss 
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05-12-2008, 04:27 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't want to move to the South, unless it was Miami (which isn't the South) or Charleston.
There is one thing I never understood about the South. Why isn't there a major city on the water.
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Charleston was the 4th largest city in this country in 1800, after Philly, NY, and Boston. Took a beating with no canal, river, or rail connection to the west though, and then further after the end of the slave trade during reconstruction. At least it's been well preserved. One of my top vacation spots.
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05-12-2008, 04:35 PM
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I live in an affluent suburb northwest of the city that is as safe as Weston or Wellesley, or any part of MA.
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Marietta? Affluent? It's a safe, affordable strip mall suburb. For what you spend on a 5 bedroom there you might be able to rent a servant's quarters in Wellesley.
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05-12-2008, 04:49 PM
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that would elect bozos like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank, Tom Menino, and Deval Patrick to represent them. Enjoy your liberal paradise....and pay some taxes (or is it raise some "revenue") for me.
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agree, their politicians are awful, although Bill Weld was a refreshing, if only temporary change from their usual preference for electing drunk liberals
But Boston as a city blows Atlanta away, the entire Atlanta area is a chain restaurant paradise where instead of having buildings fronting the street, as they do throughout metro Boston, there's just surface parking lots everywhere.
Never mind the Back Bay or Beacon Hill, I don't think Buckhead could compete with Brookline Village.
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05-12-2008, 09:50 PM
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Marietta? Affluent? It's a safe, affordable strip mall suburb. For what you spend on a 5 bedroom there you might be able to rent a servant's quarters in Wellesley.
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and have obviously never been here. Check these as one example and keep in mind that a similar house (if you could find it) in MA would be double the price or more:
Marietta, GA, Real Estate Listings and Marietta, GA Single Family Home for Sale - Realtor.com
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05-13-2008, 01:15 AM
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Thank goodness there are Denny's up here. Any White Castles?
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05-13-2008, 07:49 AM
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???? My point was that Marietta is cheap, and nowhere near the price range of Weston/Wellesley, so you're agreeing with me.
It's also cheaper than other Atlanta suburbs like Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Roswell, and Alpharetta, it's a place most people think of as comfortable and safe, but certainly not "affluent".
Either way, seems like you've got a terrible identity crisis going, and maybe you should seek professional help instead of flaming everyone and sending PMs to everyone who upsets you.
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05-13-2008, 11:31 AM
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???? My point was that Marietta is cheap, and nowhere near the price range of Weston/Wellesley, so you're agreeing with me.
It's also cheaper than other Atlanta suburbs like Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Roswell, and Alpharetta, it's a place most people think of as comfortable and safe, but certainly not "affluent".
Either way, seems like you've got a terrible identity crisis going, and maybe you should seek professional help instead of flaming everyone and sending PMs to everyone who upsets you.
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Um...nope...you missed the point completely. I guess 132 pages of houses from $500K to $5 million, with many over a million dollars, is your idea of a "strip mall community". East Cobb is not cheaper than most of the places you cited, and the fact that you bring it up shows me you have no idea of the relative value of real estate here or the different communities.
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