Why Is Boulder Snobbish, Cliquish, And Racist? (Denver, Aguilar: unemployed, neighbourhoods)

[Katiana]

sunsprit: Your OP on this issue:

Originally Posted by sunsprit

Boulder a "suburb" of Denver?

As a concept, this isn't even laughable .... they're physically 30+ miles apart, and a universe apart in many other ways.

Katiana, you couldn't possibly have lived in both places and come to such a conclusion ....

Then:

Originally Posted by sunsprit

And, Katiana ... I'm not challenging whether or not you've lived in the localities ... only that you could have done so and come to your conclusion that Boulder is a "suburb" or and "adjunct" or anything else to Denver. It's simply a city unto itself, with residential, industrial, commercial, open space, hospitality and other businesses which are supported by locals. Again, would you make a argument that Fort Collins is a "suburb" of Denver because Denver folks commute to work there, or go there for recreation, or for school? False conclusion in my opinion.

Me (after some thought):

Originally Posted by Katiana

Agree, vegas. sunsprit, I now get what you meant about how could I possibly have come to the conclusion I did about the Denver-Boulder relationship? In other words, what kind of a numbskull am I to think that? Yes, I know you didn't say that, just putting it in my own words. Well, I'm going to tell you how.
(Response follows)
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Now you say:

My original point which you've apparently had great difficulty understanding, was, having lived extensively in all of the area

Now does that not imply I am somehow unintelligent enough to see it "correctly", e.g. your way?

If Boulder was so "affordable", I'll bet you wouldn't have located 3.5 miles out of town ....

Why the H*** would we have done that? In 1982 when we bought our first house, DH was working in Golden. There was no reason to locate in Boulder. We had been living in Denver. We didn't really know a lot of the scuttlebut about Boulder and the smaller towns in Boulder County, e.g. that many people our age had formerly lived in Boulder and couldn't afford to buy a house there, so they moved to (fill in the blank with name of city in Boulder County).

This may come as some surprise to you, but we moved to Louisville because we liked Louisville. If you have read any of my posts about Louisville on this forum, you know that I am a big Lsvl supporter. We loved the small town atmosphere. At the time, Lsvl had 5000 people. There was lots of open land. There were farms along McCaslin Blvd; I remember driving down McCaslin one night when we were house hunting and someone had a sign at a farmhouse that said "Free Kittens". That was what we wanted.

[sunsprit]

Originally Posted by Katiana

sunsprit: Your OP on this issue:



Now does that not imply I am somehow unintelligent enough to see it "correctly", e.g. your way?

Only if you are so thin skinned as to not understand that the forum is about "opinions", which may (or may not) be based upon actual experience by the poster. In my case, you repeatedly inferred offense to your stated positions when none was intended or stated.

IMO, you invest way way way too much energy in what is intended to be a civil discussion where folks may differ about their objective (and subjective) impressions/opinions on the OP's posted concerns. You consistently attacked me as not having CURRENT views on Boulder, when I repeatedly stated that I had a lot of current contact with the area where I used to live via friends and active business connections. Apparently, you selectively read into a few sentences what you care to make of it ... without accepting that there is context as well as perspective offered by me.

Further, unless I agree completely with you, your inference is that I'm attacking you personally. Nothing is further from the truth of my postings. I don't know you, I don't give a dam* about you, and I do take personal offense that you'd turn this forum into an aggressive behavior pattern in attempting to make your point. Which ramble all over the place, BTW.

You've made a big deal about a Littleton is the same as an Englewood as a Boulder as a Denver as a Golden as a Greeley ... but then you come back to remind us that Louisville has certain charms and attractions and values which appealed to you as distinctly different from some of the other areas of Boulder (and perhaps, Boulder, itself).

Now I'm shocked! You've completely blown apart all your own repeated assertions that every neighborhood, let alone separate city or incorporated area, is the same ... just one big suburb of Denver.

Or do you not understand what you've lectured us on and on about how all neighborhoods are the same? Or how Boulder isn't all a big dollar enclave?

When it came to spending your own dollars and making your own choice of where to live, you certainly can tell us why it's different ... and better ... for you in Louisville. If this is too strong a reaction to your statements for your tender sensibilities, then I apologize in advance. Again, I intend no harm to your delicate sense of self worth and values, nor your opinions. I'm strictly reading the statements you've made on this forum which are clearly contradictory, and pointing out the dichotomy you present. All these areas can't be the same and at the same time, different.






Why the H*** would we have done that? In 1982 when we bought our first house, DH was working in Golden. There was no reason to locate in Boulder. We had been living in Denver. We didn't really know a lot of the scuttlebut about Boulder and the smaller towns in Boulder County, e.g. that many people our age had formerly lived in Boulder and couldn't afford to buy a house there, so they moved to (fill in the blank with name of city in Boulder County).

This may come as some surprise to you, but we moved to Louisville because we liked Louisville. If you have read any of my posts about Louisville on this forum, you know that I am a big Lsvl supporter. We loved the small town atmosphere. At the time, Lsvl had 5000 people. There was lots of open land. There were farms along McCaslin Blvd; I remember driving down McCaslin one night when we were house hunting and someone had a sign at a farmhouse that said "Free Kittens". That was what we wanted.

Again, please see the difference between what you assert here about Louisville and compare this to Boulder, or Littleton, or Englewood, or Greeley, or Golden, which you've repeatedly asserted are all the same, just a big suburban area of Denver. You apparently value the difference of moving to "small town atmosphere", which is decidedly not the nature of any of the other areas. For discussion's sake, we could throw in Thornton, Sherrelwood, Westminster, NW Denver, Central Denver, City Park, Capitol Hill, Wash Park, Hilltop, Cherry Creek, Sloan's Lake area, Aurora, Applewood, as part of the topic here ... again, NOT ONE of these true "suburbs" of Denver has a small town atmosphere, nor the distinctive qualities that set Boulder apart from them (as well as Louisville). They're all places to live with different strengths and weaknesses that have a broad spectrum of appeal quite different than living in Boulder.

Boulder simply isn't a "suburb" of Denver ... hasn't been in all the 40 years I've been associated with the area, and isn't today. That's strictly my opinion, and expressed without any personal concern to you.

Now, if you find that statement of mine about Boulder personally offensive or insulting, I invite you to forward your concerns to the moderator. I'll be happy to cite your numerous posts on the forum defining the specific virtues and differences about the towns/neighborhoods throughout the Denver area and Boulder as your own opinions as to why Boulder is different from Denver. For example, you could refer to your posts on the "dog friendly" topic currently running; it's clear that you assert that Louisville is different than Denver.

[Katiana]

You're absolutely right!

[dreamboatannie953]

LMAO I love this thread. Are you guys trying to be an example of how snobbish and cliquish Boulderites are? "Oh I've live here a long long time and I know so much more than you". "Oh no you don't". Yadayadayada...

[Katiana]

That's exactly why I gave up on it!

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by dreamboatannie953

Maybe we need to go France in this country and just socialize medical care? When the bottom line is the financial well being of the medical professionals over the lives of patients we are in big trouble. Just my opinion, but I have a sister living in Paris, France and the medical system there works very well for her. Our mother was french so she is a dual citizen there.

out of curiosity I need to ask this question. Medicare is a government run health care system, everyone in here seems to be complaining about how much compensation is given for health care under this system, yet the solution is to turn over ALL of our health care to the same people that run Medicare so poorly?

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by vegaspilgrim

sunsprit, you have a lot to learn. The open space between Boulder and other Boulder County/ Broomfield suburbs is artificially preserved. It's nothing more than an illusion. If Boulder had not bought that up years ago, without a doubt it would be a continuous, wall-to-wall chain of development. Your sense of history is completely backwards; since 1965 Boulder and Denver have become more and more integrated into one big Front Range megaplex-- not less. Metro areas have a tendency to gobble up nearby towns and cities, just like companies have mergers and acquisitions. And your statement of how Boulder is completely different from Denver is naively simplistic and just plain wrong. Especially when it comes to Denver's gentrified old neighborhoods-- like Washington Park, Platt Park, Highlands, the similarities with Boulder in terms of culture are immense. You appear to be mentally wedded to what I call the myth-- or ideology-- of Boulder, rather than analyzing the facts on the ground.

A good, clear example of a stand-alone city is Grand Junction. Or Rapid City. Or Fargo. You simply cannot be located 30 minutes from the downtown of a metro area of 2.8 million people with pretty much wall to wall development the whole way between other than a thin veil of artificially preserved ranch land crossed by tens of thousands of commuters every day on traffic choked freeways and surface roads and pretend to be a stand alone city.

I could not agree more with your statement. Trying to get a permit to build on private land that is in that weird "Mott" of open space is damn near imposable.

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by Noahma

out of curiosity I need to ask this question. Medicare is a government run health care system, everyone in here seems to be complaining about how much compensation is given for health care under this system, yet the solution is to turn over ALL of our health care to the same people that run Medicare so poorly?

Well, there are some, not necessarily including me, who think Medicare is a great example of govt. run health care. Some people cite their low overhead, but I have worked for Medicare-certified home health agencies, and we did a lot of admin for our Medicare patients. So it went in under our admin budget, not theirs! One thing Medicare has done is give the elderly health care coverage, which a lot didn't have before its inception.

[dreamboatannie953]

Originally Posted by Noahma

out of curiosity I need to ask this question. Medicare is a government run health care system, everyone in here seems to be complaining about how much compensation is given for health care under this system, yet the solution is to turn over ALL of our health care to the same people that run Medicare so poorly?

I think you make a very good point here. I don't even begin to think that I know the solution to the healthcare crisis in this country. I am a 10 year breast cancer survivor and at that time I had to go on medicaid. What I learned very quickly back then was to really shop around and pick health care providers based on what they don't have. If my friend is rich or poor I aways advise them that the best doctors are not the ones in fancy new buildings. I find a University Health Care Provider, or any health care providers, in simple and older buildings care more about patients than money. Strange as that sounds and most of us would think the other way around. Doctors who work for less and treat the poor generally care much more about the patients in general. That is my opinion based on experience. Those who seek to work in the medical profession based on how much money they can make and all the nice art they can put on the walls of their newly built office may be in the wrong line of work IMO. But then again I can easily see the other side of this argument about needing money to advance quality of care. I'm a Libra.
However, being an artist myself I always enjoy going to a clinic where there is a lot of nice art for me to study on the walls while I wait to see a doctor.

[Scott5280]

This has become the most over all off topic thread --- my posts included--pretty funny really..