The Real Deal on Boulder from Folks Without an Axe to Grind, Please! (Denver: appointed, rentals)

[DOUBLE H]

Wolfboy914. Solid first post! Good point on old town Arvada as far as moving to. I've always liked that end of the Denver metro area. Some good restaurants, ok shopping, nice neighborhoods too! Welcome to city/data and Colorado.

[WolfBoy914]

Thanks guys, I just kept seeing the same thing over and over from Tom and got tired of it. Of course Boulder is not nirvana... But, it has some very nice attribute that appeal to a great many people. My wife and I are included in that and we are not what you would classify as snobby or cliquish. Nor are what you call granola. We do however love the environment and the outdoors, is that bad? I however do not know whether we have yin or yang energy. Does that really matter anyway?

[livecontent]

Originally Posted by jkcoop

The southwest side of Longmont is a great area as well - we are minutes from Boulder. I love this side of town. Great schools as well. We live in a very small little neighborhood, next to a great park and a wonderful trail along a creek that I run on every day. Most of Longmont is Boulder County.

I have to agree this area is nice. After I arrive in Boulder and lived there, I moved to Niwot, back to Boulder, and then to Arvada. Today the area is much more developed but I think Longmont is great value, nice old areas, good parks, access to Boulder.

What I also like about Longmont is that you are just on the edge of the Denver Metroplex but you are so very close to Berthold/Loveland/Ft. Collins which is very, very nice indeed. The great reservoirs, parks and the amenities of this area are outstanding. Longmont is so much more reasonable and tranquil than Boulder. To me, it has more of the a real small town feel and surrounded by nice rural areas.

Livecontent

[CCCVDUR]

Originally Posted by WolfBoy914

Finally. Tom, I've been reading this board for more than a month now. You really need to get your anger under control about snobs and cliques. It is quite apparent how you feel about Boulder, yet you do not live there. You live 2 states away in Arizona, right? Flagstaff? I would never even come close to comparing these to towns. Boulder is far and away above Flag. Yes it is pretty there, but it is just a rest stop on the way to the grand canyon.

Hey, IF you read the forums, you'll see that I'm NOT the only one talking about the cliquishness of Boulder, Flagstaff, Santa Fe, Ashland, and to a lesser extent, some areas of Albuquerque.

However, the ONLY people that complain about discussion of this topic happen to post on this Boulder forum. I have NEVER received any complaints on the other forums (corresponding to the cities I just mentioned). So I won't bring it up again on the Boulder forum. Sure, we talk about it in Flagstaff all the time, both in person and on the forums. In fact in Flagstaff, we don't like Boulder because you folks are too rich! Just the opposite here, you better make sure you can trust your neighbors around here!

From what I read on city-data and one of its competitors, ALL these small college towns are populated by the elitist tree-hugging version of liberals, versus the more people-oriented, working class liberals that you find in Albuquerque, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco.

Look, I grew up in Seattle, the friendliest city in the US where you know all your next door neighbors, their kids' names, and their dogs' names, and anyone that doesn't acknowledge YOU when YOU come to town is a suspect criminal. You see, that's where I'm coming from, and nothing more. There is NO anger that you accuse me of. I have made friends here.

Flagstaff is NOT a "bad" place just because a few people are cliquish. Yes, some here are cliquish when they only hire their friends, just like you guys over there in Boulder, Santa Fe, and also up in Ashland and Eureka. In fact, the MAIN problems with Flagstaff are the Northern Arizona Recession and problems with the City government. The people ARE NOT the main issue in Flag, nor are they in Boulder or anywhere else. If you search my posts, 70% across City-Data are related to the economy.

All these college towns have lost their middle class, except Albuquerque where it is emerging. This is a serious issue that must be addressed for these college towns to survive. Tourism revenues will be going down, and less people will attend universities as costs increase. If you see any consistent "political" thread in my posts, it is a passionate appeal to bring high-tech small businesses and young professionals to smaller towns. -Tom

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Tom Lane

Hey, IF you read the forums, you'll see that I'm NOT the only one talking about the cliquishness of Boulder... -Tom

No, but what you did do was restarted a thread with the same title as a thread that was already locked out, and thus a violation of Terms of Service on City-Data. Maybe Flagstaff, Santa Fe, Ashland, etc. do NOT have a locked out thread as such.

There's a reason for these rules here and the people who actually live here are voicing their disgust of having to read negative threads about Boulder. Some of the banter I've seen started off as being funny, and it mostly came from people who probably envied Boulder and couldn't afford it anyhow. What good does that really do? It turns into a flame-fest.

And the funny thing about the Boulder sub forum is that it's relatively slow in here by its own tennants because those folks are all out in Boulder somewhere livin' it up enjoying themselves.

And one thing I'm sick of in the State forums is this comparison of x town to b town. I hear they have a whole new General US Cities sub forum that does just this. It's the perfect place to put that stuff in a neutral place. I could care less about Albuquerque, Santa Fe, Flagstaff, NAU (whatever that means) when I'm in the Boulder Colorado sub forum.

[suzco]

Originally Posted by McGowdog

. . .
And the funny thing about the Boulder sub forum is that it's relatively slow in here by its own tennants because those folks are all out in Boulder somewhere livin' it up enjoying themselves.
. . .

And also thinking, what's the point of arguing with those who already know we're snobby, cliquish, racist, whacko liberals?

[WolfBoy914]

Yeah. It's not like we're gonna convince him otherwise.

Tom. Have fun on your new adventure, I truly wish you the best of luck.

[CCCVDUR]

Originally Posted by WolfBoy914

Yeah. It's not like we're gonna convince him otherwise.
Tom. Have fun on your new adventure, I truly wish you the best of luck.

Hey - just Give it a rest, folks, these forums are for people inquiring about other cities who reside elsewhere. I've already asked all the questions that I have about Boulder. You keep invoking my name and complaining about my rights to free speech here, but I never have done this to you. I keep having to defend myself as an outsider simply asking questions, but such a defense is never needed on any other forum on City-Data. Delete or ignore my Boulder posts if you don't like them. I could care less. On the Flagstaff, Ashland, and Albuquerque forums, these very same topics are discussed with all points of view represented, and threads are never ever closed. My reputation points are almost exclusively from albuquerque and flagstaff posters, hardly any from boulder. -T

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Tom Lane

Hey - just Give it a rest, folks,

You keep invoking my name and complaining about my rights to free speech here, but I never have done this to you.

Someone started a thread and invited people with an "axe to grind" to stay out and you just can't do that. Do you see us going to your Arizona threads getting up in your grill telling you to "Give it a rest"? No, you don't.

Your rights to free speech here? You have none. This is a private forum. The admin can do what they want. You're here on their grace.

I just think it's classic though, how a brand new poster to City-Data from Texas took it upon themselves to come in here and tell YOU to give it a rest. I'm sitting here laughing.

Reps; if I repped you, you'd be getting 4 from me. How many times would you have to rep me to reciprocate? I have a lot of reps because I give a lot of reps. I can guarantee you they don't come easy here in the states forums; at least this state. You want some reps, lighten up and come see some of us over in the Music/TV forums.

Flashforward to WolfBoy: no, I wasn't raging on you or even the other people who post in here.

I was commending you for your post. That first one was a beaut and came right out of nowhere.

Let's revisit, shall we?

Originally Posted by Wolfboy's first ever post

This is my first post so please bear with me. I've been reading the board for a while and just felt I had to comment

Finally.
Tom, I've been reading this board for more than a month now. You really need to get your anger under control about snobs and cliques. It is quite apparent how you feel about Boulder, yet you do not live there. You live 2 states away in Arizona, right? Flagstaff? I would never even come close to comparing these to towns. Boulder is far and away above Flag. Yes it is pretty there, but it is just a rest stop on the way to the grand canyon.

[WolfBoy914]

McG,

I have lived in Denver, I just happen to be in Texas now because of work.

We're moving to Colorado because I am transitioning out of my current career (tv news) into PR and it's a place we really want to be. We also have a bunch of family there.

I wasn't sure if you were ragging on me but that is our reasoning, I just wanted to explain it.