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Old 02-14-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: SW France
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I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the Rumble In The Jungle.

Ali was such an underdog and there were warnings about him being in real danger in the ring. Maybe not the prettiest KO but an amazing outcome.
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Old 02-15-2009, 11:23 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the Rumble In The Jungle.

Ali was such an underdog and there were warnings about him being in real danger in the ring. Maybe not the prettiest KO but an amazing outcome.
The more I think about that fight, the more I find it to be a sham. The central reason is that Ali didn't give Foreman a rematch. A rematch would've proven to me that the win against Foreman was legit. Ali though, knew that he probably didn't stand a chance against the powerful Foreman in a legitimate venue. Foreman gave him a shot at the title, agreed to meet him in Zaire, and fought on Ali's terms. Yes, Ali was the underdog for good reason. He didn't stand a chance...or so it seemed

Rather than the fight being held in a historically significant venue like MSG or Vegas, where regulations exist, it was held in Zaire, where regulations could be relaxed because of the chaos and nature of the place. Don King was involved so the element of scam was present. The fighters arrived in Zaire for the fight, but Foreman curiously was cut during training, something that had not happened before. This caused a delay and took the edge off his conditioning. Foreman may have already peaked by the time the real fight came off. How knows what transpired between the time Foreman was cut and the time the fight went off. Ropes that had been deemed suitable by boxing officials before, might've been tampered with during the break after the officials went back home (why would they stick around during the delay?). The conditions weren't ideal for Foreman.

Every time I see that fight, I can't believe how loose the ropes are. This greatly benefitted Ali, allowing him to use the ropes to absorb Foreman's powerful blows without taking their full impact. All Ali had to do was made sure he wasn't hit flush or hit by a punch he didn't see. Ali, who could barely last 12-15 rounds with Ken Norton, had no business lasting more than 5 with Foreman.

The knockout was anything but. Foreman, incredibly fatigued, sought the canvas because he was too tired to put up a defense, not because Ali's blows put him out of his senses. Foreman wasn't out of his senses when he fell, and he laid there on the canvas sucking air, too tired to rise, fully aware of what was going on. Foreman just became too tired to fight and gave up. For Ali to pretend as though he knocked Foreman out was to me indicative of an element of his career that I don't care for: being a clown and seemingly performinging magic. That night, he claimed that the win over Foreman proved he was the greatest of all, when in fact Foreman was beaten by factors that had very little to do with Ali's punches.

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Old 02-17-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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The more I think about that fight, the more I find it to be a sham. The central reason is that Ali didn't give Foreman a rematch. A rematch would've proven to me that the win against Foreman was legit. Ali though, knew that he probably didn't stand a chance against the powerful Foreman in a legitimate venue. Foreman gave him a shot at the title, agreed to meet him in Zaire, and fought on Ali's terms. Yes, Ali was the underdog for good reason. He didn't stand a chance...or so it seemed

Rather than the fight being held in a historically significant venue like MSG or Vegas, where regulations exist, it was held in Zaire, where regulations could be relaxed because of the chaos and nature of the place. Don King was involved so the element of scam was present. The fighters arrived in Zaire for the fight, but Foreman curiously was cut during training, something that had not happened before. This caused a delay and took the edge off his conditioning. Foreman may have already peaked by the time the real fight came off. How knows what transpired between the time Foreman was cut and the time the fight went off. Ropes that had been deemed suitable by boxing officials before, might've been tampered with during the break after the officials went back home (why would they stick around during the delay?). The conditions weren't ideal for Foreman.

Every time I see that fight, I can't believe how loose the ropes are. This greatly benefitted Ali, allowing him to use the ropes to absorb Foreman's powerful blows without taking their full impact. All Ali had to do was made sure he wasn't hit flush or hit by a punch he didn't see. Ali, who could barely last 12-15 rounds with Ken Norton, had no business lasting more than 5 with Foreman.

The knockout was anything but. Foreman, incredibly fatigued, sought the canvas because he was too tired to put up a defense, not because Ali's blows put him out of his senses. Foreman wasn't out of his senses when he fell, and he laid there on the canvas sucking air, too tired to rise, fully aware of what was going on. Foreman just became too tired to fight and gave up. For Ali to pretend as though he knocked Foreman out was to me indicative of an element of his career that I don't care for: being a clown and seemingly performinging magic. That night, he claimed that the win over Foreman proved he was the greatest of all, when in fact Foreman was beaten by factors that had very little to do with Ali's punches.
The loosening of the ropes was ridiculous. Foreman should have stood in the middle of the ring and waved him out.
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Got any favorate Boxing knockouts you want to tell or show us about.

My all time favorate is Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson in the 10'th round for his first loss back in 1990.


YouTube - Tyson vs Douglas (round 10)

I agree 100%-definitely,and thanks for letting me see it again.Second would probably be Julio Cesar Chavez knocking out Meldrick Taylor(fight stopped with .02 seconds left).Very controversial.
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