Juan Marquez thinks Floyd better than Manny

[Coolhand68]

Originally Posted by africanboy

Not this again. If you want to start picking and choosing facts not related to the discussion (which revolved around Marquez, Floyd, and Manny) then a simple look at each fighter's record should suffice. And for the record, when Floyd finally beats the sh** out of Manny, I expect a full apology for the dribble you've been posting here.

So you want to put a slant on this that supports your point of view, I get that. When you're unable to come up with a compelling enough argument you dismiss my point of view as dribble. Doesn't surprise me.

Consider this; Comparing Floyd and Marquez and using that as a yardstick to measure Floyd's success against Manny is flawed. Here is why. Marquez may be a superior counter puncher than Manny, but he is also an aggressive fighter. He has a very effective balance of aggression and counter punching to give Manny fits. He also throws his counter punches in combinations, unlike Floyd who tends to time his opponent and pot shot one punch at a time then moving back. One punch at a time isn't going to cut it against Manny. Manny is not Gatti, Baldomir or any of Floyd's other C level opponents. Floyd is a defensive fighter, and when pressed, he's not as effective.

I actually expect a not-so-entertaining fight between these two. Manny cautiously trying to get to Floyd, and Floyd keeping a safe distance and using his range and reach to time a straight right hand counter one punch at a time. I see a decision victory for one of them, but I honestly couldn't say that either one of them is going to just breeze through the other. Unlike a lot of other fair weather fans, I don't judge a fighter on one mediocre performance. Every fighter has had a bad day or a not-so-great night. Look at Martinez in his last fight against a guy he should have KO'd in early rounds. That one mediocre performance doesn't erase all that he's accomplished and all that he is capable of, but only future fights will hold the answer.

[onihC]

Originally Posted by Coolhand68

Yeah, but you're forgetting that Manny fought an even younger, faster, resilient Marquez twice before Mayweather, while Marquez was in fact in his prime. This last go around, Marquez was bigger and stronger than he's ever been and he himself said he is in much better condition than when he fought Mayweather. All you have to do is look at pics of Marquez then and now.

The interesting thing is how Pac, his team, and commentators expected Pac to totally annihilate and destroy JMM in less than 6 rounds considering how JMM had to go up more than 10 pounds to fight him where he would lose speed, stamina, punching power, etc. in a weight where Pac has fought comfortably for a while now while JMM only fought once in that weight and looked like crap against Floyd. JMM had all odds against him and what a surprise last week!

Originally Posted by Coolhand68

DLH vs Mayweather - Narrow Split Decision win for Floyd
DLH vs Pacquiao - TKO win in the 8th, Oscar takes the most brutal beating of his life

A weight darined zombie who didn't even throw punches. Freddy Roach even admits how he saw the IV marks on Oscar and knew something was wrong with him.

[Evan702]

FWIW and it's not much at this point, but Naazim Richardson thinks JMM is better than Pac despite the (controversial) outcomes of their fights.

FIGHTHYPE \\ NAAZIM RICHARDSON: "MAYWEATHER-PACQUIAO...THERE IS NO FIGHT...YOU WILL SEE THE FLAW"

[VX-Nefarious]

Originally Posted by africanboy

Pacquiao vs Marquez - 114-114, 115-113, and 116-112
Mayweather vs Marquez - 120-107, 119-108 and 118-109

The scorecards speak for themselves. Not to mention that Floyd fought a quicker, younger, and more resilient Marquez.

You can't be serious. Marquez went up 2 WEIGHT DIVISIONS to fight Mayweather at welterweight from lightweight, and Marquez had only fought 2 times at Lightweight, that a 3 division jump after ONLY 3 FIGHTS, That is a serious disadvantage, Mayweather had every single advantage over Marquez, no surprise at all Mayweather beat Marquez the way he did, Imagine Mayweather moving up to fight http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/11/21/sp-GYI0058981728_0500871993.jpg (broken link) at super Middleweight (168 pounds), Mayweather would get destroyed and possibly stopped.


What Marquez did in going up again to welterweight and beating Pacquiao the former #1 pound for pound fighter in the world, is a great achievement, that proved what most Boxing fans thought was impossible, Marquez was already known as one of the greatest fighters of the last 20 years, both Pacquiao and Marquez have fought better opposition than Mayweather, both have better resumes, the only difference is that Marquez and Pac are both naturally smaller fighters, Pac came from 108 pounds, Marquez fought 85% of his pro career at 126, Mayweather has been a welter since 2005, and has even fought at 154, and he still wanted Pac tested? , Marquez went on a fought Pac, out boxed him and took all the May-Pac hype. Both Marquez and Barrera have giving us Great Classic wars, May has not given us one yet.


I really don't know where all the May-Pac hype is coming from, the fight will be decent, but it wont be a Morales-Barrera I, III, Morales-Pacquiao I, II, Marquez-Pacquiao I, II, or Marquez-Barrera, it won't be a great classic fight, there's no doubt about that, Mayweather is a very defensive fighter and won't give Pac a back and forth technical none stop war like Morales and Marquez.

[HomocidalBunny]

Of course floyd is better than pac. Pac is a great fighter an all but floyds defense is atg and he's the best fighter of this generation.

I can only see pac beating him if floyd has a terrible night an pac finds a way to knock him out. Pac won't be able to decsion floyd unless he somehow finds a way to carve thru floyds titanium philly shell, which has yet to be done. Floyds yet to be put down an if both fighters stay on there feet the whole fight pac will get completely outclassed and lose a majority decsion barring of course corrupt judges.

If floyd an manny fight a trilogy the best manny can hope for is one win out of three, but I don't even see that happening. With this current class of contenders in the class floyd right now appears untouchable.

That's why pac is scared of fighting floyd. He knows he can only win via knockout or stoppage and he for very good reason beleives he can't make it happen.

[LexusNexus]

Originally Posted by HomocidalBunny

Of course floyd is better than pac. Pac is a great fighter an all but floyds defense is atg and he's the best fighter of this generation.

I can only see pac beating him if floyd has a terrible night an pac finds a way to knock him out. Pac won't be able to decsion floyd unless he somehow finds a way to carve thru floyds titanium philly shell, which has yet to be done. Floyds yet to be put down an if both fighters stay on there feet the whole fight pac will get completely outclassed and lose a majority decsion barring of course corrupt judges.

If floyd an manny fight a trilogy the best manny can hope for is one win out of three, but I don't even see that happening. With this current class of contenders in the class floyd right now appears untouchable.

That's why pac is scared of fighting floyd. He knows he can only win via knockout or stoppage and he for very good reason beleives he can't make it happen.

A Mayweather-Pacman trilogy would be great. Both could retire after that, set for life (more than they are now). I don't think Pacman wins one of these matches.

[jbub22]

Of course, Mayweather is better than Manny. Thats not the issue. Mayweather's cautious boxing style is why I think Manny could beat him. Mayweather's jaw has not been tested. Mayweather's defense affords him that luxury of barely being touched. My argument comes from Mayweather's reaction to solid punches given by Judah, Cotto and Shane M. Manny jumps around like a bunny rabbit thus opening the door for more than average punch opportunities and angles. Manny will touch him.