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Old 06-23-2012, 09:14 PM
 
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Lopez TKO's Ortiz in Shocking Upset End of Round 9 on Stool | Bleacher Report


Shouldn't be so surprised since Ortiz has quit on the stool before....your career is over son.
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Very exciting fight. Punches with bad intentions were being thrown (and landed) by both fighters from Round 1. If Lopez had more punching power, he likely would've stopped Ortiz earlier in the fight.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Ortiz was lucky that they Floyd dropped him when he did, his career is a rizzap
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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I feel there are several layers to these individuals (Boxers). To move between levels, a transition must take place for change. The transition between levels is the problem for Ortiz. My dorm room psychologist excuse for Ortiz follows. In my eyes, here is what I see (generally speaking)
- 1st level is a fight. Most of us average people, even me, coware at the idea of fight unless we are drunk or our lives are threatened.
- 2nd level is a brawl, the individual found someone who can throw with them and they are not scared. All Boxers can go there, which is what makes them Boxers, not average. Also, "some" of these Boxers do aggravate fans because they are 20-0 but get crushed in the Championship fight. Promotors are the source of the problem, creating cream puff matches up to the title match. This is tough for us, because we do not necessarily see challenges, only wins. We miss the ability to see him operate under pressure, to see if some doubt creeps in.
- 3rd level is to conquer, maybe death, and win. These people are a step above. I do feel this people can be dangerous and do put it on the line. Champions are here.
- 4th level, is total mind games, the person is on "E", its completely all about will. Obvious examples, Ali & Gatti, truly inhuman types, you literally have to shot these guys. Those who reach their core, stay Champion by all and any means necessary, and stay champion for a long time unless they meet another level 4.

Ortiz is a very odd individual. He throws punches with bad intentions. When challenged he does take it to 2nd level, rather quickly too, and he has proven that several times. The transition to the next level 3rd level, to win, to conquer, is where he falls short. I am confused because he does enter the 3rd level (slightly), he steps into the door entrance, but then he quits as soon as the door fully opens. If you have the guts to go that far, why quit now. Its hard to critique the guy because being a Champion is a special individual but I am confused at where he quits. Ortiz is a borderline Champion but he will not make it until he fully enters through the door.
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