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Old 12-16-2012, 03:48 PM
 
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Sure Marquez hired him for his "strength and conditioning" expertise. LOL.

2008

Angel Heredia, once a doping dealer and now a chief witness for the U.S. Justice Department, talks about the powerlessness of the investigators, the motives of athletes who cheat and the drugs of the future.



He had been in hiding under an assumed name in a hotel in Laredo, Texas, for two years when the FBI finally caught up with him. The agents wanted to know from Angel Heredia if he knew a coach by the name of Trevor Graham, whether he carried the nickname ďMemoĒ, and what he knew about doping. "No", "no", "nothing" Ė those were his replies. But then the agents laid the transcripts of 160 wiretapped telephone conversations on the table, as well as the e-mails and the bank statements. Thatís when Angel "Memo" Heredia knew that he had lost. He decided to cooperate, and he also knew that he would only have a chance if he didnít lie Ė not a single time. ďHeís telling the truth,Ē the investigators say about Heredia today.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Heredia, will you watch the 100 meter final in Beijing?

Heredia: Of course. But the winner will not be clean. Not even any of the contestants will be clean.

SPIEGEL: Of eight runners ...

Heredia: ... eight will be doped.

SPIEGEL: There is no way to prove that.

Heredia: There is no doubt about it. The difference between 10.0 and 9.7 seconds is the drugs.



SPIEGEL: Can drugs make anyone into a world record holder?



Heredia: No, that is a misapprehension: ďYou take a couple of tablets today and tomorrow you can really fly.Ē In reality you have to train inconceivably hard, be very talented and have a perfect team of trainers and support staff. And then it is the best drugs that make the difference. It is all a great composition, a symphony. Everything is linked together, do you understand? And drugs have a long-term effect: they ensure that you can recover, that you avoid the catabolic phases. Volleyball on the beach might be healthy, but peak athletics is not healthy. You destroy your body. Marion Jones, for example ...

SPIEGEL: ... five-time Olympic medallist at Sydney 2000 ...

Heredia: ... trained with an unparalleled intensity. Drugs protect you from injury. And she triumphed and picked up all the medals.

SPIEGEL: Are you proud?

Heredia: Of course, I still am. It is still a tremendous achievement, and you must not believe that Marionís rivals were poor, deceived competitors.

SPIEGEL: This isnít just an American problem?

Heredia: Are you kidding me? No. All countries, all federations, all top athletes are affected, and among those responsible are the big shoe companies like Nike and Adidas. I know athletes who broke records; a year later they were injured and they got the call: ďWeíre cutting your sponsorship money by 50 percent.Ē What do you think such athletes then do?

SPIEGEL: Tell us what you did for your clients.

Heredia: Athletes hear rumors and they become worried. That the competition has other tricks, that they might get caught when they travel. There is no room for mistakes. One mistake can ruin a career.

SPIEGEL: So you became a therapist for the athletes in matters of drugs?

Heredia: More like a coach. Together we found out what was good for which body and what the decomposition times were. I designed schedules for cocktails and regimens that depended on the money the athletes offered me. Street drugs for little money, designer drugs for tens of thousands. Usually I sent the drugs by mail, but sometimes the athletes came to me.

SPIEGEL: With Marion Jones ...

Heredia: ... it was about the recovery phases. In 2000 she competed in one event after another, and she needed to relax. I gave her epo, growth hormone, adrenaline injections, insulin. Insulin helps after training, together with protein drinks: insulin transports protein and minerals more quickly through the cell membrane.

SPIEGEL: Jones was afraid of needles.


Heredia: Yes, thatís why C. J. Hunter, her husband at the time, and her trainer Trevor Graham mixed her three substances in one injection. I advised them against it because I thought it was risky.


SPIEGEL: What kind of relationship did you have with your athletes?

Heredia: Business ties. It was all about levels and dosing. I rarely spoke with Marion. It was done through her coaches.

Part II: How Heredia outwitted the drug testers and became the dealer to the worldís best athletes.

SPIEGEL: Was there a doping cycle?

Heredia: Yes. When the season ended in October, we waited for a couple of weeks for the body to cleanse itself. Then in November, we loaded growth hormone and epo, and twice a week we examined the body to make sure that no lumps were forming in the blood. Then we gave testosterone shots. This first program lasted eight to ten weeks, then we took a break.

SPIEGEL: And then the goals for the season were established?

Heredia: Yes, that depended on the athlete. Some wanted to run a good time in April to win contracts for the tournaments. Others focused on nothing but the trials, the U.S. qualification for international championships. Others cared only about the Olympics. Then we set the countdown for the goal in question, and the next cycle began. I had to know my athletes well and have an overview of what federation tested with which methods.

SPIEGEL: Where does one get this information?

Heredia: Vigilance. Informers.

SPIEGEL: You were once a good discus thrower yourself.

Heredia: Very good in Mexico, but very average by international standards. I had played soccer, boxed and done karate before I ended up in track and field. At 13 or 14 I believed in clean sports. Doping was a crime to me; back then I even asked my father if I could take aspirin.

SPIEGEL: Why did you begin doping?



Heredia: Like all athletes: because others were doing it. All of a sudden, kids that I used to beat were throwing ten meters further. Then I had an injury but I wanted to qualify for the Olympic team anyway. Doping became to me what it is for most athletes: part of the sport. If you train for 12 hours today and your trainer expects you to train for 12 hours again tomorrow, you dope. Otherwise you canít do it.

SPIEGEL: What did you take?

Heredia: Growth hormone. Testosterone.

SPIEGEL: But you failed to qualify for the Olympics anyway.

Heredia: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how itís done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. Thatís how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

SPIEGEL: What qualified you for the role of dealer to the worldís best athletes?

Heredia: My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better.

SPIEGEL: And how did you become the best in your world?

Heredia: With precision. You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. Thatís the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast Ė they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug ďEpo Boost.Ē I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten.

SPIEGEL: Do you have any other secrets?

Heredia: Oh yes, of course. There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they donít excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. Iíve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers.

SPIEGEL: What trainers have you worked together with?

Heredia: Particularly with Trevor Graham.

SPIEGEL: Graham has a lifetime ban because he purportedly helped Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Justin Gatlin and many others to cheat. Who else?

Heredia: With Winthrop Graham, his cousin. With John Smith, Maurice Greeneís coach. With Raymond Stewart, the Jamaican. With Dennis Mitchell ...

SPIEGEL: ... who won gold in the 4 x 100 meters in 1992 and today is a coach. How did the collaboration work?

Heredia: Itís a small world. It gets around who can provide you with something how quickly and at what price, who is discreet. The coaches approached me and asked if I could help them, and I said: yes. Then they gave me money, $15,000 or thereabouts, we got a first shipment and then we did business. At some point it led to one-on-one cooperation with the athletes.

SPIEGEL: Was there a regimen of sorts?

Heredia: Yes. I always combined several things. For example, I had one substance called actovison that increased blood circulation Ė not detectable. That was good from a health standpoint and even better from a competitive standpoint. Then we had the growth factors IGF-1 and IGF-2. And epo. Epo increases the number of red blood cells and thus the transportation of oxygen, which is the key for every athlete: the athlete wants to recover quickly, keep the load at a constantly high level and achieve a constant performance.

SPIEGEL: Once again: a constant performance at the world-class level is unthinkable without doping?

Heredia: Correct. 400 meters in 44 seconds? Unthinkable. 71 meters with a discus? No way. You might be able to run 100 meters in 9.8 seconds once with a tailwind. But ten times a year under 10 seconds, in the rain or heat? Only with doping.

SPIEGEL: Testosterone, growth hormone, epo Ė that was your combination?

Heredia: Yes, with individual variations. And then amazing things are possible. In 2002 Jerome Young was ranked number 38 in the 400 meters. Then we began to work together, and in 2003 he won almost every big race.

SPIEGEL: How were you paid?

Heredia: I had an annual wage. For big wins I got a $40,000 bonus.

SPIEGEL: Your athletes have won 26 Olympic medals. How much money did you earn?

Heredia: I canít answer that due to the investigations. But letís put it this way: 16 to 18 successful athletes each year at between $15,000 and $20,000 per athlete. I had a good run. I had a good life.

SPIEGEL: Did you live in the shadows of the sports world, where no one was allowed to see you?

Heredia: No. I rarely traveled to the big events, but that was because of jealousy: the Americans didnít want me to work with the Jamaicans and vice versa. But shadows? No. It was one big chain, from athletes to agents to sponsors, and I was part of it. But everyone knew how the game worked. Everyone wanted it to be this way, because everyone got rich off it.

SPIEGEL: Which agents do you mean?

Heredia: The big marketers Ė Robert Wagner, for example Ė who support the athletes and want to get them into top form because they place the athletes at the track meetings.



The Austrian marketer Wagner, founder of World Athletics Management, wrote last Thursday in an e-mail to SPIEGEL, that he ďnever doped athletesĒ or ďsupported and promotedĒ doping. And Angel Heredia, the chief witness, sat in an office in New York, an athletic man in a black shirt, still in excellent shape, and wrote down names on a sheet of paper. 41 track and field athletes, he said, were his clients, as well as boxers, soccer players and cross-country skiers. His Jamaicans: Raymond Stewart, Beverly McDonald, Brandon Simpson. From the Bahamas: Chandra Sturrup. A couple of his Americans: Jerome Young, Antonio Pettigrew, Tim Montgomery, Duane Ross, Michelle Collins, Marion Jones, C. J. Hunter, Ramon Clay, Dennis Mitchell, Joshua J. Johnson, Randall Evans, Justin Gatlin, Maurice Greene. Some of those named by Heredia have been caught doping. Others have admitted to doping, while still others deny it.

SPIEGEL: Maurice Greene? The 100 meter superstar Greene is one of the poster athletes of the Olympic movement; he swears he is clean.

Heredia: The investigations are ongoing, but if he maintains he is clean, I can only answer that that is a lie.

SPIEGEL: Can you be more specific?

Heredia: I helped him. I made a schedule for him. I equipped him.

SPIEGEL: Equipped?

Heredia: Yes, we worked together in 2003 and 2004.

SPIEGEL: Do you have receipts?

Heredia: Yes, I have a $10,000 bank transfer receipt, for example.

SPIEGEL: Greene says he spent that money on friends.

Heredia: I know thatís not true.

SPIEGEL: What did Greene, who denies having doped, get from you?

Heredia: IGF-1 and IGF-2, epo and ATP Ė that stands for adenosine triphosphate, which intensifies muscle contraction.

SPIEGEL: Undetectable for testers?

Heredia: Undetectable. Weíve used ointments that do not leave any traces and that enable a consistently high testosterone level in athletes.

SPIEGEL: Is there doping at every level of athletics?

Heredia: Yes, the only difference is the quality of the doping. Athletes with little money use simple steroids and hope they donít get tested. The stars earn 50,000 dollars a month, not including starting bonuses and shoe sponsorship contracts. The very best invest 100,000 dollars Ė Iíll then build you a designer drug that canít be detected.

SPIEGEL: Explain how this works.

Heredia: Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers.

SPIEGEL: The drug testersí hunt of athletes ...

Heredia: ... is also a sport. A competition. Pure adrenaline. We have to be one or two years ahead of them. We have to know which drug is entering research where, which animals it is being used in, and where we can get it. And we have to be familiar with the testersí methods.

SPIEGEL: Can the testers win this race?

Heredia: Theoretically yes. If all federations and sponsors and managers and athletes and trainers were all in agreement, if they were to invest all the money that the sport generates and if every athlete were to be tested twice a week Ė but only then. Whatís happening now is laughable. Itís a token. They should save their money Ė or give it to me. Iíll give it to the orphans of Mexico! There will be doping for as long as there is commercial sports, performance-related shoe contracts and television contracts.



4. Teil: ďPeak performances without doping are a fairytale.Ē

SPIEGEL: So the idea that sports are a fair competition within established rules actually died long ago?

Heredia: Yes, of course. Unless we were to go back to ancient times. Without television, without Adidas and Nike. Itís obvious: if you finish in 8th place at a big event, you get $5,000; if you finish first you get $100,000. Athletes think about this. Then they think that everyone else dopes anyway, and they are right. And you think athletes believe in morals and ideals? Peak performances without doping are a fairytale, my friend.

SPIEGEL: Do you advocate the authorization of doping?

Heredia: No, but I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone Ė substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect.

SPIEGEL: Are you serious: fairness?

Heredia: Yes. Take for example the most popular drug: epo. Epo changes the hemoglobin value, and it is simply the case that people have different hemoglobin levels. Authorizing the use of epo would enable the fairness and equality that supposedly everyone wants. After all, there are genetic differences between athletes.

SPIEGEL: Differences between living things are called nature. You want to make all athletes the same through doping?

Heredia: Normal athletes have a level of 3 nanograms of testosterone per milliliter of blood; the sprinter Tim Montgomery has 3 nanograms, but Maurice Greene has 9 nanograms. So what can Tim do? It isnít doping with endogenous substances thatís unfair, it is nature thatís unfair.

SPIEGEL: And what would you ban?

Heredia: Everything else that can be dangerous. Amphetamines? Ban them. Steroids? Ban them.

SPIEGEL: Are there still any clean disciplines?

Heredia: Track and field, swimming, cross-country skiing and cycling can no longer be saved. Golf? Not clean either. Soccer? Soccer players come to me and say they have to be able to run up and down the touchline without becoming tired, and they have to play every three days. Basketball players take fat burners Ė amphetamines, ephedrin. Baseball? Haha. Steroids in pre-season, amphetamines during the games. Even archers take downers so that their arm remains steady. Everyone dopes.

SPIEGEL: Did you produce the drugs yourself, or did you simply procure them?

Heredia: I didnít have my own laboratory, I hadÖ letís say access to labs in Mexico City. I purchased and procured the raw materials ...

SPIEGEL: ... from where?

Heredia: Everywhere. Australia, South Africa, Austria, Bulgaria, China. I got growth hormone from the Swiss company Serono. It was never difficult to import it to Mexico, because the laws arenít that strict. You can easily buy it in pharmacies in Mexico. Whenever a new drug was entering the test phase somewhere in the world, we knew about it and we ordered it. Then I combined substances. Sometimes I produced a gel.

SPIEGEL: Did you ever take the doping testers seriously?

Heredia: No, we laughed at them. Today, of course, it is the testers who are laughing.

SPIEGEL: How do you make a living today?

Heredia: I still have a little bit of money. Iím studying again. I want to become a pharmacist. Thatís my dream, but I donít know if Iíll find a job, if I will be charged, if I will be deported, or where Iíll go. I donít have a life anymore. I walk around and make sure no one is following me. But compared to Jerome Young Iím doing okay.

SPIEGEL: What is the 2003 world champion doing today?

Heredia: Heís 31 years old, and he sits in a truck and delivers bread. People say he broke the laws of the sport, but thatís not true: it was exactly these rules that Jerome followed.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:45 PM
 
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Didn't finish the whole article but it sounds like the guy knows his stuff.

I was just reading recently how top ten ranked P4P fighter Nonito Donaire is the first boxer to allow the drug testing authorities to test him 24/7, 365 days a year by any means. Its a very bold pledge and if you ask me its probably the only thing that could save the integrity of boxing.

I think people in general would pay more attention when they have full assurance they're not watching a fixed fight.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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The results came out already and both are clean.

What I find a bit hypocritical from the media, Pacquiao Team, his promoter, and the fans, is that when Floyd Mayweather Jr. had suspicions about Pacquiao juicing up everybody got a heart attack and pointed fingers at him. How wrong of him to doubt Manny Pacquiao, how wrong of him to ask for investigations, etc. Now Team Pacquiao, his promoter, fans, the media, etc. are supporting strict Olympic style random tests. Go figure.

Manny Pacquiao lost fare square, and pretty bad too. Letís just accept it and move on. Canít win all the time.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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The results came out already and both are clean.

What I find a bit hypocritical from the media, Pacquiao Team, his promoter, and the fans, is that when Floyd Mayweather Jr. had suspicions about Pacquiao juicing up everybody got a heart attack and pointed fingers at him. How wrong of him to doubt Manny Pacquiao, how wrong of him to ask for investigations, etc. Now Team Pacquiao, his promoter, fans, the media, etc. are supporting strict Olympic style random tests. Go figure.

Manny Pacquiao lost fare square, and pretty bad too. Let’s just accept it and move on. Can’t win all the time.
Uh, did you read the article? If you did, you got pathetic comprehension skills. What are the implications that Pacquaio took steriods? Because Mayweather said so? Wow, what a reliable source. You do realize that Mayweather actually has connections with man involved in Testosterone Therapy.

But nobody believes Mayweather is on the juice, yet you can actually connect him to a supplier. There are no connections to Pacquaio, but because Mayweather said so, it must be.

Then you got Marquez who is connected to an guy that specializes in making undetectable steriods. I know you may not be able to read, but maybe you should get one of your friends to read that interview for you before you make broad, dismissive comments.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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Uh, did you read the article? If you did, you got pathetic comprehension skills
Relax dude. I know many are still butt-hurt to see Pacquiao go down the way he did.

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What are the implications that Pacquaio took steriods? Because Mayweather said so?
What are the implications that JMM took steroids? Just because Pacquiao said so?

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Wow, what a reliable source. You do realize that Mayweather actually has connections with man involved in Testosterone Therapy
He has never been positive after the tests. Hey, I am just answering the same way PacFanBoys would respond years ago when Pacquiao was questioned.

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Then you got Marquez who is connected to an guy that specializes in making undetectable steriods. I know you may not be able to read, but maybe you should get one of your friends to read that interview for you before you make broad, dismissive comments.
Pacquiao is connected to a promoter who promotes dirty fighters. What do you think of the excuses Pacquiao said before about why he didn’t want to take random Olympic style blood and urine tests: being afraid of needles, being superstitious, a nurse might hurt his arm if they don’t do it properly, he gets weakened and cannot train appropriately, etc.? What do you think of those silly excuses Pacquiao came up with before? If Floyd was the one who said that you bet Pacquiao fans would be on his ass.

Results came up already and both came up clean. Manny Pacquiao got knocked out cold. No need for excuses.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:46 PM
 
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What are the implications that JMM took steroids? Just because Pacquiao said so?
Thats the whole reason why OP posted the interview, this MEMO guy is seriously dirty with that stuff. JMM was really really buff the night of the fight and a lot more people than us were raising alarm bells about this well before the actual fight night.

I wouldn't go as far to say that JMM actually took steroids. All I'm saying is the kind of people you like to associate with often go a long way to defining who you are and how people perceive you.

Maybe don't hire one of the worlds most notorious professional steroid traffickers as a trainer?
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:54 PM
 
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Thats the whole reason why OP posted the interview, this MEMO guy is seriously dirty with that stuff. JMM was really really buff the night of the fight and a lot more people than us were raising alarm bells about this well before the actual fight night.

I wouldn't go as far to say that JMM actually took steroids. All I'm saying is the kind of people you like to associate with often go a long way to defining who you are and how people perceive you.

Maybe don't hire one of the worlds most notorious professional steroid traffickers as a trainer?
You're right. Hey, I root for JMM but when I heard who was going to be his conditioning coach before the Pacquiao 4 fight I just shook my head "No no no no, why him?" That guy has a dirty past so I just didn't like it. At the same time, people can make a change if they want to.

At the same time, Floyd started to ask questions about Manny Pacquiao just like everybody questioned JMM. Both sides did the exact same thing. The only difference is that nobody liked it when Floyd did it but when Manny did everybody supported him. Floyd had his reasons to doubt Manny.

The results already came out, both are clean. Great 4 fights but the better man won: JMM.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:29 PM
 
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I'm a big boxing fan and would like to look at it objectively. As much as I hate hearing loud mouth Mayweather, there's no doubt he is a great boxer. I'm a big fan of Pacman as well, and think he's a great boxer as well.
Match ups make a fight, probably the greatest boxer, Ali, had trouble with Norton and Frazier. Foreman, just the opposite, he would dominate over Norton and Frazier. Pacman had trouble with counter puncher Marquez, and would probably have had trouble with the best counter puncher of this era with Mayweather.

After watching the fight on HBO saturday, it was obvious that JMM was a different fighter. JMM knock out punches were multiple punches in his career not single knock out punches. But in this fight with Pacman, his punches were atomic bombs, almost like a mini Tyson throwing bombs. A fighter usually regresses as he gets older, but JMM was like this new sculpted fighter with atomic punches.

I actually think the 3rd round knock down was more vicious than the knock out punch. It was an atomic punch and fully extended. Just look at the knock out punch, it's not even half way extended, Pacman walked into it, basically just ram his head into it even before JMM could extend the punch, almost like a baseball homerun hitter getting an inside pitch and not being able to full extend the bat then fouling the ball.

JMM's body was muscular and even leaner than before, he actually weighed a lot less at 143-144 than Pacman but seemed to pack more punching power than ever before. According to George Foreman, knock out specialist, have big legs like Pacman because they use their lower body for the power. Unlike JMM, his chicken legs were no comparison, it was mostly upper body strenght for his power. This is very unsual.

The connection with his trainer doesn't look good. Because they only test urine samples, it's difficult to really know if JMM was on roids. The same can be said about Pacman or any other fighter. It's easy to fool the test. An athlete can take diuretics to flush out his system.

It is why now, I agree with Mayweather with Olympic style testing. This fight makes me wonder now on if everyone is using roids or not.
I under estimated Mayweather, but this guy is smart. He knows how to promote his fights and knows the the trend in boxing and he know's how to pick the right fights when a boxer is done. I'm a huge Pacman fan but, now I don't blame Mayweather for asking for olympic style testing.

Jorge Arce had the same strength and conditioning trainer as JMM, but it didn't help him against Donaire. Donaire works with Victor Conte Victor Conte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia who was imprisoned for distributing steroids and money laundering, but Donaire complies with the strictest testing and offered olympic style testing, 24/7 and 365 days a year, so Donaire is the cleanest.

As far as for JMM, he's a great boxer but who knows what happened. It was a simple urine test that can be easily beat with diuretics. One thing for sure, he's gotten more punching power as he got older at almost 40 years old. At this point, who knows who's clean or not, Pacman and even Mayweather included. Yes, Mayweather included because now anything is possible. Just look at Lamont Peterson, he vehemently accused Amir Khan for using steroids and requested a stricter test and guess who was busted, it was Lamont Peterson. This is why anyone could be using roids, including Mayweather, even though I doubt he's using it, but anything is possible now.
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It is why now, I agree with Mayweather with Olympic style testing. This fight makes me wonder now on if everyone is using roids or not.
I under estimated Mayweather, but this guy is smart. He knows how to promote his fights and knows the the trend in boxing and he know's how to pick the right fights when a boxer is done. I'm a huge Pacman fan but, now I don't blame Mayweather for asking for olympic style testing.
See, thatís the thing. When Floyd Mayweather first started asking other guys to take random Olympic style blood/urine tests everybody went up in arms and threw all kinds of crap at him including commentators and Pacquiao fans. Years later Pacquiao gets knocked out pretty bad and all of a sudden you have commentators and Pacquiao fans demanding strict tests and what not. A bit hypocritical really. Strict tests works for everybody. Guys in the ring are more assured competition is fair and fans wonít be disappointed to hear someone won because they were juicing. Everybody wins.

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As far as for JMM, he's a great boxer but who knows what happened. It was a simple urine test that can be easily beat with diuretics
Diuretics can also be caught in tests. JCC Jr. has been caught before with it after a fight.

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One thing for sure, he's gotten more punching power as he got older at almost 40 years old. At this point, who knows who's clean or not, Pacman and even Mayweather included. Yes, Mayweather included because now anything is possible. Just look at Lamont Peterson, he vehemently accused Amir Khan for using steroids and requested a stricter test and guess who was busted, it was Lamont Peterson. This is why anyone could be using roids, including Mayweather, even though I doubt he's using it, but anything is possible now.
Mayweather, Pacquiao, JMM, etc. anybody can be juicing. Those who are willing to take the tests lower my suspicions. Pacquiao is one that has refused to take the tests and that raised suspicions specially after the excuses he and his team brought up: being afraid of needles, being superstitious, will not be able to train properly if he undergoes those tests, a nurse might hurt his arm in the process, etc. After hearing those excuses, it made you wonder what was going on. He has said now that he would take the tests. So does that mean he is not afraid of needles anymore, not supersticious anymore, now he can train properly, he is making sure the nurse is experienced?

Thing with PEDs, like computer viruses, is that they get ahead of the game and later get caught only to have another PED designed to pass the tests, then get caught, and it goes on and on through time.
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^ I would definitely agree that boxing needs to absolutely change it's testing standards for the survival of the sport. Without it, there is no way to have complete confidence in the results of basically any fight.

About Pacman, I would agree that his resistance on the olympic style training was a little weird. He said that it would drain his strength, and I can definitely see how someone who relies on his body to perform would need every advantage possible. The thing is, if Mayweather is getting the same test, who cares?
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