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Old 11-25-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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I was spoiled. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and with Ali, Frazier, Foreman , Holmes ,Duran, Hearns ,Leonard, Hagler, Tyson. To me MMA is just entertainment.I have tried to watch it but its not the same. I am sure I have missed someone that's on the way up but right now I haven't seen the next great talent. I wish someone would come along because I get tired of hearing about MMA . I usually tell MMA fans that they just haven't seen a great fighter(I have issues with Mayweather-he should have fought Pacquiao a long time ago). No MMA match I have seen has compared to Leonard -Duran, Leonard -Hearns or Leonard- Hagler.
But if you were born in the 90s that's just ancient history. So is there an answer? Pay some up and coming MMA guy a boatload of money to become a fighter? I am not sure if that's the answer as fighters say you have to devote yourself to boxing from an early age. I guess we will have to hope that someone will naturally rise from the talent pool. I guess that's the blessing and curse of having grown up during boxing's last golden age. So if you have opinions as to who is an up and comer or what boxing needs to do to find the next great talent I would love to hear it.

PS what MMA bout or fighter will ever compare to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBmO7voAEXk

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Su...inson_1966.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocky_Marciano.jpg

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Old 11-25-2013, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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Every decade a new crop of talent hits the boxing scene. MMA is its own sport. Closest thing we have today to Duran and Leonard is Pacquiao and Mayweather. Unfortunately that fight has passed it's expiration date. If it does take place it will be well beyond each fighter's respective prime.
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:50 PM
 
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Every decade a new crop of talent hits the boxing scene. MMA is its own sport. Closest thing we have today to Duran and Leonard is Pacquiao and Mayweather. Unfortunately that fight has passed it's expiration date. If it does take place it will be well beyond each fighter's respective prime.
I don't think its as simple as "MMA is its own sport". At they gym I work out at I hear guys my age carrying on about how MMA is the thing and boxing is dead. Some of them never miss a UFC pay per view. So when I mention fights from the 70s or 80s I get the eyes rolling look(I guess to show me how old school I am LOL) It really is a competition between the two. I don't think you can get around it.
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:27 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I don't think its as simple as "MMA is its own sport". At they gym I work out at I hear guys my age carrying on about how MMA is the thing and boxing is dead. Some of them never miss a UFC pay per view. So when I mention fights from the 70s or 80s I get the eyes rolling look(I guess to show me how old school I am LOL) It really is a competition between the two. I don't think you can get around it.
I guess there is a competition between the two sports but I think both have done incredibly well for their own respective markets. If you want to talk about boxing vs. MMA, boxing far and away has the bigger ratings, more PPV buys, and much higher salaries for the boxers themselves. For all the "boxing is dead" talk people like to throw around, boxing is back on network TV for the first time in decades, PPV records were smashed, and ratings continue to be very respectable for the average HBO card.

I think that in itself will continue to draw top talent to the game. I'm not saying MMA sucks or anything like that. I don't watch it or like it for that matter, but most people that I have run into who like MMA tend to say the same thing about boxing.
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:17 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Don't hold your breath

I don't think the discipline, substance, character, resolve, dedication, sacrifice, determination, and motivation that it takes to become a Sugar Ray Leonard exists among American youth in today's generation. We have entered a new age where it is likely that such qualities are bred only in the fighters from other countries.

I certainly don't consider MMA as a good training ground for the Sweet Science. In fact, the emergence and existence of MMA is an indication IMO that the qualities required to make fighters like Leonard, no longer exist.
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Old 12-29-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: New York
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Default no more reptilian King

Danny Garcia and Andre Ward in the same class as Sugar Ray. They aren't as famous since we are still suffering the Don King effect that ruined boxing in the 1990's and 2000's. Since they are not on TV so much they are not household names but this does not diminish their skills.

Boxing is the early stages of a resurgence. The Welterweights division right now is very exciting. With scum like Don King out of the picture boxing has a brighter near future with Golden Boy and Lou DiBella controlling the promotions.

Looking forward to the following flights in 2014.

Kahn vs MayWeather
Maidana vs Thurman
Broner vs Matthese
Sergio Martinez vs Canelo
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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Danny Garcia and Andre Ward in the same class as Sugar Ray. They aren't as famous since we are still suffering the Don King effect that ruined boxing in the 1990's and 2000's. Since they are not on TV so much they are not household names but this does not diminish their skills.

Boxing is the early stages of a resurgence. The Welterweights division right now is very exciting. With scum like Don King out of the picture boxing has a brighter near future with Golden Boy and Lou DiBella controlling the promotions.

Looking forward to the following flights in 2014.

Kahn vs MayWeather
Maidana vs Thurman
Broner vs Matthese
Sergio Martinez vs Canelo
I watched the Adrien Broner/Marcos Maidana fight on Dec 14.Great fight with plenty of action but I hope Broner can come back in rematch. I could do without some of his showboating but he has a lot of ability. Do you think he lost the fight because he overlooked Maidana?although Maidana looked like good fighter.

As for a boxing resurgence that would be great so lets hope Golden Boy can make it happen. I will definitely keep a watch on Garcia and Ward. Lets see what happens in 2014. Could be a good year

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Old 12-29-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: New York
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Broner is a slow (foot speed) hittable knock out puncher. He does not punch enough to be the best. A mediocre defense for the world class level. He lost to Maidana becuase of mAidana's superior power, superior pressure and Broner's immature personality. Also Bronner's team is disordered with no real leadership as Broner bosses around his corner instead of taking instructions. Broner did Show impressive heart in his Argentine beat-down absorbing all of Maidana's power.

Broner is Amoung the elite in his division but nowhere close to a stand-out. Paulie Malignaggi is more of a slick boxer than Broner.


Maidana himself is a great story. Poor farmboy from Argentina is brought to the US to be a loss on Victor Ortiz's record and ends up upsetting many highly regarded prospects when he was given little chance.
Under the tutiliage of Roberto Garcia Maidana has blossomed. He is a toughfighter with a champions heart.
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I watched the Adrien Broner/Marcos Maidana fight on Dec 14.Great fight with plenty of action but I hope Broner can come back in rematch. I could do without some of his showboating but he has a lot of ability. Do you think he lost the fight because he overlooked Maidana?although Maidana looked like good fighter.

As for a boxing resurgence that would be great so lets hope Golden Boy can make it happen. I will definitely keep a watch on Garcia and Ward. Lets see what happens in 2014. Could be a good year
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