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Old 11-25-2014, 08:28 PM
 
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I don't think there is going to be a way for Mayweather to get out of this one. He's already turned against some of his biggest supporters, and it looks like there won't be any way to defend him this time if he declines to fight Pacquiao.

For one, HBO along with Golden Boy is threatening to put on Canelo vs Cotto during the May 5th weekend. Unless Mayweather fights Pacquaio, there isn't anyone he can fight outside of GGG, which would be crazy, that would be able to compete with Canelo vs Cotto.

The bottom line is, Mayweather has over a $30 million dollar guarantee and there is no way Showtime will sign off on a fight where it will lose a substantial amount of money over. HBO will profit regardless of what Showtime decides to do if Mayweather doesn't fight Pacquaio.

Mayweather already said that he was going to fight during that weekend, so without any other options, he has to fight Pacquaio if he still intends on fighting that weekend. HBO will surely postpone Canelo vs Cotto, (a great fight by the way), for the fight that everyone wants to see.

I think it's going to finally happen.

And it's going to be great because Mayweather has done everything he can to destroy Manny character which greatly effected his earning potential. Even Guerrero was able to land that left uppercut on Mayweather when Mayweather lunged in with that right hand as he has a tendency to do against southpaw opponents.

He might as well take that plan off the table immediately against Pacquaio who will not only step back and respond with uppercuts, but also rotate at times and fire combinations.

Mayweather will have to fight defensively and look to land big shots. If he can't, and Mayweather can't keep moving for 12 rounds, Pacquaio may very well dice him up and spit him out.

Either way, hopefully the odds are 4-1 to for Mayweather so I can make some cash off this bet.

Styles make fights.

It's finally going to happen.
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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I will believe this fight is happening when I'm sitting down and watching them stand across from one another at the opening bell. Until then, there are just way too many demands to sort out for me to believe this fight will ever happen. If Mayweather is unwilling to agree to a 60/40 split, the size of the ring, the gloves, etc., it can end all talks. Mayweather will not get into the ring with Manny if Manny wants to wear his Reyes gloves. He will likely demand a large 24 foot ring to move around in, and it will have to be held in his backyard at the MGM Grand with his favorite judges at ringside and referee of choice. Remember, Floyd was ready to call off the Maidana fight if Maidana wore his Everlast gloves that he had worn in previous fights, the same ones Cotto wore against Floyd. Any fighter who is willing to go to that extreme after all the training, preparation and logistics of putting a fight together will certainly walk away from negotiations if he doesn't have everything his way.

My understanding of what has been discussed is that the fight would take place in June of 2015 if they can reach an agreement. Bigger venues are being discussed to cash in on more ticket sales, and there is still the purse and PPV split that needs to be sorted out. That's a lot to overcome to make this fight happen. The only other option for Floyd to have a profitable 2015 is fighting Khan in England and moving his fight dates, because if he isn't fighting Manny, he can't compete with Cotto/Alvarez in May. Unless he gets smart and offers Cotto a rematch in May for his 160 lb title. I think Cotto would take that opportunity versus a match with Canelo.
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Old 11-28-2014, 02:01 PM
 
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How ridiculous to suggest that because Cotto/Alvarez is happening that Floyd must fight Pacman to complete for attention. Khan is undeserving of a fight with Mayweather. He hasn't done anything worthwhile in quite some time.

Floyd doesn't have to fight Pacman to cement his legacy. He's already considered a great fighter, perhaps one of the best. Pacman also a great fighter. Before Pacman got beaten by Bradley and KTFO by Marquez, Mayweather was willing to negotiate with him for a fight. The problem was that Pacman wanted a 50-50 split, which was unfair to the undefeated Floyd. A thrice-beaten Pacman does NOT equal an UNDEFEATED Floyd Mayweather. The fact that Pacman was pushing this nonsense shows that he, not Floyd, didn't want to fight. Pacman has never come close to facing a fighter of Floyd's caliber, and Pacman has been beaten by lesser fighters than Floyd. Pacman can't outbox Floyd. To beat Floyd, he would have to fight the way Roberto Duran did against Ray Leonard in their first fight. He must apply constant pressure and throw punches from unexpected angles at unexpected times. He can't be predictable with his punches.

So what is the chance of this happening? Better than earlier in Floyd's career, sure. Floyd does appear to be a bit slower now, still fast, but a tad slower. His reaction time is not as good, and he takes more shots than he used to. He emerges from fights with more bumps and bruises than before. But Pacman is not what he used to be either. He's on a campaign to give the impression that he's still the Pacman of old, but he's severely diminished. His ability to take a punch is now suspect after that concussion he sustained against Marquez. He's damaged goods now, and even his doctors are concerned about his decline. He was knocked out because of that decline. 5 years ago was the last time he knocked anyone out. He has a TKO in the final round over Miguel Cotto, a fighter who takes shots to give them, in a similar manner that Pacman does. Cotto stands there and trades, a virtual punching bag, so Manny was able to wear him down over the course of the fight. But that was 5 years ago. He hasn't knocked out anyone since, his power diminishing as I type this. This latest creampuff Algieri, posed no threat to Manny. Algieri had no power, throws arm punches, and was easy to hit. Despite being able to hit that man with his best shots, shots that would've surely felled fighters in his earlier days, Manny could only manage to knock him down. Manny is not what he appears. He would not face a fighter like Maidana or Canelo. He won't even take a risk fighting someone like Khan or Garcia. Floyd has faced tougher opponents.

So I disagree. Floyd doesn't need Pacman. If he does decide to face Pacman, I predict that Pacman is in big trouble, not Floyd. The excitement of course is the possibility that Manny could land that one big punch, the way Tarver did Jones. Seems like people are willing to pay each fighter up to $100M each for the slim chance that this will happen. IMO, this is not as competitive a match as people think it would be. Floyd's simply too good.

The only person who can beat Floyd Mayweather is Floyd Mayweather.
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Old 11-28-2014, 11:36 PM
 
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IMO, this is not as competitive a match as people think it would be. Floyd's simply too good.

The only person who can beat Floyd Mayweather is Floyd Mayweather.
Dude, I hope you stick around after this fight goes down. I think you'll be quite surprised how easily Pacquaio beats Mayweather.
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Old 11-29-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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How ridiculous to suggest that because Cotto/Alvarez is happening that Floyd must fight Pacman to complete for attention. Khan is undeserving of a fight with Mayweather. He hasn't done anything worthwhile in quite some time.

Floyd doesn't have to fight Pacman to cement his legacy. He's already considered a great fighter, perhaps one of the best. Pacman also a great fighter. Before Pacman got beaten by Bradley and KTFO by Marquez, Mayweather was willing to negotiate with him for a fight. The problem was that Pacman wanted a 50-50 split, which was unfair to the undefeated Floyd. A thrice-beaten Pacman does NOT equal an UNDEFEATED Floyd Mayweather. The fact that Pacman was pushing this nonsense shows that he, not Floyd, didn't want to fight. Pacman has never come close to facing a fighter of Floyd's caliber, and Pacman has been beaten by lesser fighters than Floyd. Pacman can't outbox Floyd. To beat Floyd, he would have to fight the way Roberto Duran did against Ray Leonard in their first fight. He must apply constant pressure and throw punches from unexpected angles at unexpected times. He can't be predictable with his punches.

So what is the chance of this happening? Better than earlier in Floyd's career, sure. Floyd does appear to be a bit slower now, still fast, but a tad slower. His reaction time is not as good, and he takes more shots than he used to. He emerges from fights with more bumps and bruises than before. But Pacman is not what he used to be either. He's on a campaign to give the impression that he's still the Pacman of old, but he's severely diminished. His ability to take a punch is now suspect after that concussion he sustained against Marquez. He's damaged goods now, and even his doctors are concerned about his decline. He was knocked out because of that decline. 5 years ago was the last time he knocked anyone out. He has a TKO in the final round over Miguel Cotto, a fighter who takes shots to give them, in a similar manner that Pacman does. Cotto stands there and trades, a virtual punching bag, so Manny was able to wear him down over the course of the fight. But that was 5 years ago. He hasn't knocked out anyone since, his power diminishing as I type this. This latest creampuff Algieri, posed no threat to Manny. Algieri had no power, throws arm punches, and was easy to hit. Despite being able to hit that man with his best shots, shots that would've surely felled fighters in his earlier days, Manny could only manage to knock him down. Manny is not what he appears. He would not face a fighter like Maidana or Canelo. He won't even take a risk fighting someone like Khan or Garcia. Floyd has faced tougher opponents.

So I disagree. Floyd doesn't need Pacman. If he does decide to face Pacman, I predict that Pacman is in big trouble, not Floyd. The excitement of course is the possibility that Manny could land that one big punch, the way Tarver did Jones. Seems like people are willing to pay each fighter up to $100M each for the slim chance that this will happen. IMO, this is not as competitive a match as people think it would be. Floyd's simply too good.

The only person who can beat Floyd Mayweather is Floyd Mayweather.
Fans like you are bad for boxing.

Fans need to demand the fight. Imagine if Ali used all the excuses Mayweather used to avoid Foreman and Frazier. Imagine if Sugar Ray Leonard refused to fight Duran because Duran had "Dejesus problems."

At the end of the day Floyd did, perhaps, irreparable damage to Pacquaio's character and hurt his earning potential with his baseless accusations. When they did try to settle this in court, Pacquaio's team, upon hearing that Mayweather failed 3 drug tests, requested Mayweather's drug records to be presented in court. Mayweather declined and paid Pacquaio a significant amount.

Some may say that was payback; however, that's not good enough. Mayweather constantly derides Pacquaio everywhere he goes. He owes Pacquaio the fight.

Pacquaio is one of the greatest fighters of this generation and real fans, IE not you, have been demanding the fight for half a decade now. They are in the same weight class and it's an interesting match up of styles.

You mention Garcia or Khan, two guys Floyd hasn't fought either, and then you speak about Maidana as if it's some huge accomplishment that Floyd beat him? Maybe you think a guy with Maidana's punching technique and skillset is A level, but clearly you either don't understand the nuances of boxing or you're completely biased. Meanwhile, Pacquaio beat Bradley when he was PFP #3. How convenient for you to ignore that fact.

And you think Mayweather will win, but I see weaknesses in Mayweather's style that will be exposed by Pacquaio. For instance, Mayweather lunges when he fights southpaws. He can get away with this against guys that have slow feet like Guerrero, WHO still managed to time Mayweather with a counter left uppercut despite not being able to perform a SINGLE pull up, and having literally no explosive muscle in his entire body.

What is going to happen when he fights Pacquaio, who has the fastest feet in boxing, and attempts to utilize this strategy as he does against every southpaw. Well, when Mayweather signs the fight, and the two are standing across the ring, you'll find out. Either Mayweather will completely abandon it, and have to use lateral movement, which he was unable to do against Maidana, and had to clinch incessantly and use the ref to break up the action at every single moment, or he's going to use the same strategy he usually does and get beat up, bad.

We'll see. Real fans want the fight. Don't be scared. If Floyd didn't want the fight, he shouldn't have ran his mouth. If Floyd doesn't want to look like a coward, he shouldn't have ran his mouth about the May 5th fight date. If he doesn't fight Pacquaio, expect him to back out. What will be your excuse then?

I see you already have an excuse ready. Pacquaio didn't beat Mayweather, Mayweather beat Mayweather. Get outta here with that. And clearly you don't understand boxing if you think Pacquaio's only chance to beat Mayweather is with a single punch.

Why is it always die hard Floyd fanatics that don't want the fight? If you wanna say Floyd is the best and the greatest of all time, how can you not demand him fight Pacquaio?

That's pathetic. Like I said, fans like you are not fans of the sport.

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Old 11-29-2014, 04:19 PM
 
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How ridiculous to suggest that because Cotto/Alvarez is happening that Floyd must fight Pacman to complete for attention. Khan is undeserving of a fight with Mayweather. He hasn't done anything worthwhile in quite some time.

Floyd doesn't have to fight Pacman to cement his legacy. He's already considered a great fighter, perhaps one of the best. Pacman also a great fighter. Before Pacman got beaten by Bradley and KTFO by Marquez, Mayweather was willing to negotiate with him for a fight. The problem was that Pacman wanted a 50-50 split, which was unfair to the undefeated Floyd. A thrice-beaten Pacman does NOT equal an UNDEFEATED Floyd Mayweather. The fact that Pacman was pushing this nonsense shows that he, not Floyd, didn't want to fight. Pacman has never come close to facing a fighter of Floyd's caliber, and Pacman has been beaten by lesser fighters than Floyd. Pacman can't outbox Floyd. To beat Floyd, he would have to fight the way Roberto Duran did against Ray Leonard in their first fight. He must apply constant pressure and throw punches from unexpected angles at unexpected times. He can't be predictable with his punches.

So what is the chance of this happening? Better than earlier in Floyd's career, sure. Floyd does appear to be a bit slower now, still fast, but a tad slower. His reaction time is not as good, and he takes more shots than he used to. He emerges from fights with more bumps and bruises than before. But Pacman is not what he used to be either. He's on a campaign to give the impression that he's still the Pacman of old, but he's severely diminished. His ability to take a punch is now suspect after that concussion he sustained against Marquez. He's damaged goods now, and even his doctors are concerned about his decline. He was knocked out because of that decline. 5 years ago was the last time he knocked anyone out. He has a TKO in the final round over Miguel Cotto, a fighter who takes shots to give them, in a similar manner that Pacman does. Cotto stands there and trades, a virtual punching bag, so Manny was able to wear him down over the course of the fight. But that was 5 years ago. He hasn't knocked out anyone since, his power diminishing as I type this. This latest creampuff Algieri, posed no threat to Manny. Algieri had no power, throws arm punches, and was easy to hit. Despite being able to hit that man with his best shots, shots that would've surely felled fighters in his earlier days, Manny could only manage to knock him down. Manny is not what he appears. He would not face a fighter like Maidana or Canelo. He won't even take a risk fighting someone like Khan or Garcia. Floyd has faced tougher opponents.

So I disagree. Floyd doesn't need Pacman. If he does decide to face Pacman, I predict that Pacman is in big trouble, not Floyd. The excitement of course is the possibility that Manny could land that one big punch, the way Tarver did Jones. Seems like people are willing to pay each fighter up to $100M each for the slim chance that this will happen. IMO, this is not as competitive a match as people think it would be. Floyd's simply too good.

The only person who can beat Floyd Mayweather is Floyd Mayweather.
So Cotto is a punching bag but Maidana is not? At least Cotto boxes, moves, and has a good combination of speed and power. If he was such a punching bag how come Floyd had such a difficult time with him?

You say Manny wont fight Garcia or Khan. Well, those two are under contract to Al Haymon, and he is not allowing any of his fighters to go up against Pacquiao. Of course we are all still wondering why Floyd hasn't fought them either. Remember when he asked his fans to vote for his next opponent between Maidana and Khan and the fans chose Khan? Remember how he chose Maidana, who Khan had already beat? Floyd fights flat-footed brawling Maidana not once, but twice. Now he may have to fight Khan in order to finish out his contract, a Khan who Garcia has already KOd.

Please enlighten us with more of Floyd's great opponents. Was it Guerrero, Ortiz, Gatti, Baldomir, Bruseles, Corley, or overrated Alvarez who never fought anyone? Maybe it was Marquez who came up three weight classes and was drinking his own urine, or Hatton who came up two weight classes?

Don't kid yourself, Floyd is desperate for an opponent in 2015 if he wants to fight in May and September. Not a lot of big names left for him to generate the PPV numbers that Cotto/ Alvarez can do in May and the winner of that fight likely gets Golovkin in September.

If Floyd wants to crack a million PPV buys again here are his options:

Pacquiao - not likely
Cotto
Khan - bigger money if fought in England filling 80 - 100k seats.
GGG - not likely.

Danny Garcia might be able to draw that level of interest but they wil not fight. Al Haymon needs someone to pass the undefeated and well protected torch to, and Garcia will probably go to 147 to fight feather fisted Malignaggi.

If Jermain Taylor doesn't go to prison perhaps Floyd attempts to steal a title at 160 for his sixth weight class. That would be pitiful.
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Old 12-06-2014, 04:38 PM
 
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At the end of the day, when and if they do fight, hopefully no one gets hurt.
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Old 12-14-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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At the end of the day, when and if they do fight, hopefully no one gets hurt.
The main thing that will be hurt is Mayweather's pride.

I too, don't think this fight will ever happen. Mayweather doesn't want it since it will jeopardize his glowing record of victories while avoiding most anyone that might beat him.

Mayweather IS an excellent fighter of that there is no doubt. Giving him the power to dictate any title matches with him involved is just one more way that boxing continues to be ruined. If the people running boxing want to bring this sport up even close to the relevance it once had, they should force this fight to happen or titles are taken away.

I no longer am a big boxing fan like I once was years ago, but this fight, should it happen, I wouldn't miss for the world. I believe it could turn into the fight that brings back fans that long ago have quit following the sport.

Please, someone bring some sensibility back into how boxing is run.
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