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Old 01-24-2015, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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We disagree. Such is life. I can't say that Guerrero, Ortiz, Alvarez and Maidana are not in Manny's league. Neither can you. He never fought any of them. I say that Manny is in decline and hasn't proven that he deserves a shot at the best, and make no mistake about it, Floyd Mayweather is one of the best ever. Doesn't bother me in the least that you disagree.

You say Floyd has been ducking Manny, and I say that unless you are intricately familiar with the negotiations, which you're not, you can't make that conclusion. It's not based on the facts, which renders it meaningless to me.

Floyd chooses the one-dimen. fighter, using Manny's name for publicity, ducking Manny for five years, PPV buys, this and that...pure woo.
So you can say that Pacquiao doesn't deserve a shot at Floyd, but Maidana, who only had to defeat Broner, and Ortiz and Guerrero, who only had to defeat Berto, were deserving? Whether Pacquiao has won or lost in the last five years, Floyd has dismissed him as an opponent and used every excuse imaginable to avoid fighting him. Even after Pacquiao agreed to his demands, Floyd would eventually come up with a new excuse or go silent altogether. Can you imagine if Marvin Hagler said Tommy Hearns has "Leonard issues" so I'm not fighting him? What if Ali said "Frazier's not in my league, so I'm not fighting him"?

Floyd's greatness is hinged completely on his undefeated record. One loss will shatter his legacy and his stock plummets. Manny has persevered losses and hasn't lost a bit of popularity or status as a P4P great despite losses or draws. Floyd is a media/tabloid sensation, Manny is the real deal. Floyd's undefeated record does not determine his greatness any more than Marciano's. Marciano retired 49-0...does that make him the greatest Heavyweight of all time? Not even close. In the end, fighters are judged by the quality of opposition in their primes, how they challenged themselves, how they fought, and how they overcame adversity in the ring. Manny's star will shine a lot brighter when the smoke clears and they are each at the end of their respective careers.

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Old 01-24-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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So you can say that Pacquiao doesn't deserve a shot at Floyd, but Maidana, who only had to defeat Broner, and Ortiz and Guerrero, who only had to defeat Berto, were deserving? Whether Pacquiao has won or lost in the last five years, Floyd has dismissed him as an opponent and used every excuse imaginable to avoid fighting him. Even after Pacquiao agreed to his demands, Floyd would eventually come up with a new excuse or go silent altogether. Can you imagine if Marvin Hagler said Tommy Hearns has "Leonard issues" so I'm not fighting him? What if Ali said "Frazier's not in my league, so I'm not fighting him"?

Floyd's greatness is hinged completely on his undefeated record. One loss will shatter his legacy and his stock plummets. Manny has persevered losses and hasn't lost a bit of popularity or status as a P4P great despite losses or draws. Floyd is a media/tabloid sensation, Manny is the real deal. Floyd's undefeated record does not determine his greatness any more than Marciano's. Marciano retired 49-0...does that make him the greatest Heavyweight of all time? Not even close. In the end, fighters are judged by the quality of opposition in their primes, how they challenged themselves, how they fought, and how they overcame adversity in the ring. Manny's star will shine a lot brighter when the smoke clears and they are each at the end of their respective careers.
This.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:13 PM
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So you can say that Pacquiao doesn't deserve a shot at Floyd, but Maidana, who only had to defeat Broner, and Ortiz and Guerrero, who only had to defeat Berto, were deserving? Whether Pacquiao has won or lost in the last five years, Floyd has dismissed him as an opponent and used every excuse imaginable to avoid fighting him. Even after Pacquiao agreed to his demands, Floyd would eventually come up with a new excuse or go silent altogether. Can you imagine if Marvin Hagler said Tommy Hearns has "Leonard issues" so I'm not fighting him? What if Ali said "Frazier's not in my league, so I'm not fighting him"?

Floyd's greatness is hinged completely on his undefeated record. One loss will shatter his legacy and his stock plummets. Manny has persevered losses and hasn't lost a bit of popularity or status as a P4P great despite losses or draws. Floyd is a media/tabloid sensation, Manny is the real deal. Floyd's undefeated record does not determine his greatness any more than Marciano's. Marciano retired 49-0...does that make him the greatest Heavyweight of all time? Not even close. In the end, fighters are judged by the quality of opposition in their primes, how they challenged themselves, how they fought, and how they overcame adversity in the ring. Manny's star will shine a lot brighter when the smoke clears and they are each at the end of their respective careers.
(Ouch!)

Tried to Rep you, but the CD God's did not allow it.

Very well and accurately described.

Touché to you!

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Old 02-02-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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And if they fight and Floyd wins I wonder if people will give him credit or if he will still be booed "Manny was not on top shape...Floyd got lucky...He's still no good...".
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Old 02-02-2015, 08:03 PM
 
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Floyd's greatness is hinged completely on his undefeated record. One loss will shatter his legacy and his stock plummets. Manny has persevered losses and hasn't lost a bit of popularity or status as a P4P great despite losses or draws. Floyd is a media/tabloid sensation, Manny is the real deal. Floyd's undefeated record does not determine his greatness any more than Marciano's. Marciano retired 49-0...does that make him the greatest Heavyweight of all time? Not even close. In the end, fighters are judged by the quality of opposition in their primes, how they challenged themselves, how they fought, and how they overcame adversity in the ring. Manny's star will shine a lot brighter when the smoke clears and they are each at the end of their respective careers.

WOW

PLEASE tell us you were just joking ... or under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs when you typed that drivel, Coolhand...
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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What's wrong with Mayweather?

If Mayweather doesn't sign the fight, he's a coward.

Plain and simple.
It's not plain and simple. Pac and Mayweather fight on competing networks. That complicates things. I'm sure HBO would rather wait for Mayweather's Showtime contract to expire so they can have the fight exclusively under their banner.
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Old 02-04-2015, 10:40 AM
 
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I'm tired of the soap opera. I'm not taking the bait on this fight until the bell rings.
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Old 02-04-2015, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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WOW

PLEASE tell us you were just joking ... or under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs when you typed that drivel, Coolhand...
Nope not at all. When you break down Floyd's record, quality of opposition at their respective primes, quality of opposition in terms of ability, and all of the dangerous opponents he has avoided in his career, it's easy to see how he remained undefeated. That is exactly what his legacy is hinged upon. One loss and the mystery is over, and his TMZ mentality following will lose interest too. Manny has survived losses and is still as popular as ever. Floyd's stock will fall faster than one of his battered girlfriends once he loses his first fight.
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Old 02-07-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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Wouldn't a Floyd/Manny fight just result in a lot of shoulder rolls, arm blocks and constant 10-9 rounds in favor of Floyd?
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Old 02-07-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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Wouldn't a Floyd/Manny fight just result in a lot of shoulder rolls, arm blocks and constant 10-9 rounds in favor of Floyd?
No, it will result in an aggressive Floyd getting countered early on and knocked down, then retreating and taking punishing shots when he's immobile on the ropes.

I'll give Floyd enough credit to say that he manages to survive the distance.
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