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Old 03-03-2015, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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There are things I can question about Floyd even though I root for him but I am yet to see a Pac fan question and raise their eyebrows with Pacís denial to take those random blood tests and the excuses.
And you likely never will...
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Old 03-03-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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I was rooting for Floyd in that fight but somehow I thought DLH scored enough to win a close split-decision.



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Good point. And I actually would take it as a compliment if someone questioned me or thought I was using PEDs because of my good performance but something Pac fans conveniently forget is all the contradicting excuses Manny, Freddy, and Bob Arum came up with to not take the random blood tests that Floyd was totally fine in taking as well. There are things I can question about Floyd even though I root for him but I am yet to see a Pac fan question and raise their eyebrows with Pacís denial to take those random blood tests and the excuses. With that attitude of course one will wonder whatís going on. PED users refuse to take blood tests and dislike them.
The reason Floyd was willing to take those tests was because it was USADA conducting them. A notoriously corrupt and incompetent agency. This is the same testing agency that never reported Erik Morales' positive test results for banned substances. GBP under Schaeffer had what was considered a very questionable relationship with USADA. Hence the alleged three sealed positive test results of Floyd's. The difference between Manny and Floyd is that Floyd is a classless coward who needed an excuse to back out of the fight negotiations. Manny didn't reduce himself to accusations even after his lawyers had uncovered suspicious activity at USADA. By the way, USADA is NOT true Olympic style testing. True Olympic testing is 24/7 365, not just ten weeks prior to a fight. Check this article out, it gives fans a lot to think about.

Max Boxing - News - The PED Mess: Part One


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Take Pacís refusal to take random blood tests for many years and Marquez muscles, both look shady. Still, BOTH came out negative with on their blood tests. Go figure. Pac fans hated Floyd demanding random blood tests but all of a sudden it was ok to demand those tests to Marquez when they saw it convenient. Letís be fair, why not apply those tests to EVERYBODY. Even Bob Arum and Manny finally agreed and admitted they finally understood the tests after all these years of refusing them. Which still doesnít make sense to say that when you know your opponent is also taking them so why not go for it? It is fair for both.
Marquez hired a notorious conditioning coach who was already found guilty of PED use with his boxers. He trains in Mexico which isn't exactly very aggressive in regard to testing. Marquez has also refused VADA testing, which is more thorough than USADA. When talks came up about a fifth fight with Pacquiao, Marquz and Nacho suddenly lost interest at the mention of VADA testing. Wonder why.

By the way, Manny agreed to testing only a year after the initial refusal to be bullied at negotiations. So it didn't take all these years for him to agree. Since he agreed, Floyd came up with countless excuses to avoid him. So for every Manny fan who won't discuss his refusal of testing in the first go around, there is a Floyd fan who will conveniently forget that he too is under suspicion of PED use. Only no fighter, trainer or promoter will publicly make that accusation knowing they will be sued. No Floyd fan will recognize his hypocrisy and lack of integrity in all aspects of his life.

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Hopefully new exciting talent comes up after Mayweather/Pacquiao retire. I think it was fun when Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Barkley, Hagler, Mancini, Chavez, Camacho, Whitaker, Norris, etc. where around in the 80s. Can't forget the heavyweights or lighter weights either.
There are plenty of other good fights on the horizon this year. I'm really looking forward to Alvarez/Kirkland in May, Matthysse/Provodnikov, Broner/Molina, Kovalev/Pascal, and seeing more of Brook, Khan, GGG, Crawford, Walters, Cotto, Thurman, Porter, Lomachenko, and Bradley.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:00 PM
 
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The reason Floyd was willing to take those tests was because it was USADA conducting them. A notoriously corrupt and incompetent agency.
It did show incompetence with Erik Morales but haven’t heard of anybody testing negative after or before a fight with Floyd or anybody else. Past opponents have all accepted to take random blood tests just fine.

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Hence the alleged three sealed positive test results of Floyd's
I heard about this rumor before but not sure if the sources have credibility. I am sure it would have appeared all over the place.

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The difference between Manny and Floyd is that Floyd is a classless coward who needed an excuse to back out of the fight negotiations
I’ll give you that. Doesn’t seem to show class by flaunting his riches and what not while Pacquiao, regardless of cheating on his wife on different occasions, dealing with different addictions, and not paying his taxes among other things, has shown to be an all-around nice guy who does his job in the ring. If Floyd had a nicer character I wonder if the fight would spark any interest. Not that it justifies being classless of course.

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By the way, USADA is NOT true Olympic style testing. True Olympic testing is 24/7 365, not just ten weeks prior to a fight.
Then Pacquiao raises more eyebrows. Let’s suppose the USADA is not as strict as the Olympic style, then why did Pacquiao refused over and over to take that test? You might remember all the excuses he, Freddy Roach, and his promoter came up with to not take those tests such as “I am afraid of needles…I am superstitious…drawing blood weakens me…this is so unfair…a nurse might do it wrong and hurt my arm…I need a couple of weeks without the blood tests…” and so on. Imagine if it was Floyd who came up with those silly excuses but since it was Pacquiao and he is not the villain here then nobody, not even the media, questioned him. You didn’t think it was a bit shady when Pacquiao came up with those excuses to refuse taking random blood tests?

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Marquez hired a notorious conditioning coach who was already found guilty of PED use with his boxers. He trains in Mexico which isn't exactly very aggressive in regard to testing.
Could that be the reason why Pacquiao trains in the Phils and then the USA in past fights? Yes, hiring a coach with a shady past doesn’t help matters. I root for Marquez and I still don’t ignore that. But tests were made and both Manny and Juanma came out negative.

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Marquez has also refused VADA testing, which is more thorough than USADA. When talks came up about a fifth fight with Pacquiao, Marquz and Nacho suddenly lost interest at the mention of VADA testing. Wonder why
Exactly. It makes you wonder why he or anybody wouldn’t take strict random blood tests, right? I am not sure why Pacquiao fans didn’t wonder anything when Pacquiao came up with all bunch of excuses to not take random blood tests. I am yet to hear a Pacquiao fan agree that his attitudes towards that raised questions.

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By the way, Manny agreed to testing only a year after the initial refusal to be bullied at negotiations
Every time Manny was supposed to agree Freddy or Bob Arum would come back saying why they wouldn’t take the random blood tests. It was until a recent interview that they finally admitted they were ignorant of all these tests and finally agreed to take them.
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Old 03-11-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Starts at 2 minutes 10 seconds


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Old 05-03-2015, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Atlanta (Finally on 4-1-17)
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I liked Floyd, but I really think he's afraid of losing to him. Pretty soon they'll be too old anyways and it won't matter.
Hahaha......
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Old 05-03-2015, 05:36 AM
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He was never afraid.
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Old 09-21-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I'll tell you this, Floyd better throw way more than 300 punches if he thinks he wants to beat Manny. Floyd's average punch output is about 30 - 35 punches per round. That won't cut it against Pacquiao. Against the slow, lumbering Latin brawlers yes, but not against someone who has speed, footwork and power. Floyd knows be will be forced to fight against Manny and he will need to dig deeper than he ever has. Which is why he is trying to gain every possible advantage he can negotiating this fight.
Just to revisit this conversation. Was Pacquiao...

1. Too old
2. Too hurt
3. All of the above

?
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Old 09-21-2017, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Galewood
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Floyd was scared to fight pacman at his peak. Plus pacman was on PEDs so he gave Floyd the perfect excuse.

I say 4. Clean and older
How was that an excuse if he was on PEDs?
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Old 09-21-2017, 07:40 PM
 
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You know, given all the knowledge we have now, I increasingly don't really like seeing these guys take risks as they are older. The Pac vs May fight ended well because neither fighter got hurt.

I really didn't like to see GGG and Canelo take that much punishment, but perhaps, I'm just more cognizant of it now.

Anyway, regarding Mayweather and Pac...

Both are great fighters. Both are deserving of praise. I must admit that Pacquaio is one of my favorite fighters because I think he's a G. Mayweather is also a G though. Both of them are great fighters, but since Pacquaio didn't say much himself, as a fan, you almost felt compelled to let his voice be heard.

Besides, everyone wanted that fight.

Neither men are cowards. Nobody that steps in the ring, given the consequences can be considered a coward in that moment, although we are all cowards in some things.

Hopefully both men retain their health.
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:47 AM
 
Location: Preussen
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Floyd was scared to fight pacman at his peak. Plus pacman was on PEDs so he gave Floyd the perfect excuse.

I say 4. Clean and older
Wasn't Floyd himself caught on taking illegal substances before his fight against Pac man , though ?
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