Mayweather, safest boxer in history of the sport? (Tiger Woods, hockey, wrestling)

[d-iron]

Originally Posted by noid_1985

really did you watch this fight??? Was this not lopsided?

What? The Jones/Trinidad fight? Lopsided? No it was a close and good fight.

Did you think it was lopsided?

[noid_1985]

Originally Posted by d-iron

What? The Jones/Trinidad fight? Lopsided? No it was a close and good fight.

Did you think it was lopsided?

I mean he faught a Trinidad coming out of retirement who went up in weight- how can that not be lopsided?? Enough talk about Roy Jones- he got his ass whipped by Tarver twice

[Coolhand68]

Originally Posted by d-iron

BTW Roy Jones fought John Ruiz a HEAVYWEIGHT!! Did you see that fight? He also fought Felix Trinidad AND he's about to fight Bernard Hopkins!! Roy Jones has BALLS!!

The reason Roy Jones didn't fight compeditive fights when younger is because there was no one in his weight class that good to challenge him.

Ruiz is a joke. Roy hand selected a HW that he knew was no threat to him, notice he wasn't hanging around at HW that long, at least not long enough to take on Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, one of the Klits, or even a rematch at HW with Toney.

As a middle weight, super middle weight, and light heavy weight he avoided fights with Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, Chris Eubank, Gerald McClellan, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, and rematches with Toney and Hopkins. Instead he chose play it safe and to take on guys like Richard Hall, Bryant Brannon, Richard Frazier, Vinny Pazienza, David Telesco and a host of other no names or sub-par competition. Don't get me wrong, I was and still am a big RJJ fan, but considering his astronomic talent, he fought too many opponents that posed little or no threat. When he didn't want to fight someone, he'd simply ask for an unreasonable share of the purse or more money than he knew he'd get so the fight couldn't be made. Now he's trying late in the game to seal his legacy by fighting B-rate opponents in Sheika and Lacey. His rematch with Hopkins is too late. He should be pursuing a rematch with Johnson and Tarver if he wants to seal his legacy.

[d-iron]

Originally Posted by Coolhand68

Ruiz is a joke. Roy hand selected a HW that he knew was no threat to him, notice he wasn't hanging around at HW that long, at least not long enough to take on Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, one of the Klits, or even a rematch at HW with Toney.

As a middle weight, super middle weight, and light heavy weight he avoided fights with Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, Chris Eubank, Gerald McClellan, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, and rematches with Toney and Hopkins. Instead he chose play it safe and to take on guys like Richard Hall, Bryant Brannon, Richard Frazier, Vinny Pazienza, David Telesco and a host of other no names or sub-par competition. Don't get me wrong, I was and still am a big RJJ fan, but considering his astronomic talent, he fought too many opponents that posed little or no threat. When he didn't want to fight someone, he'd simply ask for an unreasonable share of the purse or more money than he knew he'd get so the fight couldn't be made. Now he's trying late in the game to seal his legacy by fighting B-rate opponents in Sheika and Lacey. His rematch with Hopkins is too late. He should be pursuing a rematch with Johnson and Tarver if he wants to seal his legacy.

What about his fight with Glen Johnson? That was taking a chance and he lost. He fought Tarver 3 times! Yes he did run in their last fight I agree. What about him fighting Joe Calzaghe a very legitimate fighter. Plus the john Ruiz fight watch that fight again Ruiz hits like a freight train! Ruiz is HUGE. He's not a great heavy weight but at least jones is fighting compeditive fights. Plus he's going to fight Bernard Hopkins who is still very dangerous!

Where I'm getting at is that at least Jones has balls Mayweather IS the biggest p***sy in boxing history!!! He leaves nothing to chance each opponent is carefully picked and I have absolutely no respect for him.

[Coolhand68]

Well d-iron, we partly agree on Jones and Mayweather. I think Jones underestimated Johnson when he fought him, and lost some of his heart after being KO's twice. He should have fought Calzaghe ten years ago, and he should have had a rematch with Hopkins at least ten years ago. Now they are both 40+ and past their prime. Hopkins is a boring fighter and doesn't come on until the late rounds and even then you have to press him because he's a counter puncher. Jones will play it safe with pot shots on the outside and fast footwork.

Ruiz is horrible. He throws on punch and then clinches, he's slow and plodding. Perfect for Jones who is a much better boxer and way faster. All Jones had to do was stay on the outside which he did. Ruiz is not a legitimate threat to any prime heavyweight. He's awful and shouldn't be allowed to fight with that hit-n-grab style of his. There was talk of a Jones/Tyson match up at HW but Jones wanted no part of that. The money would have been huge but the risks were too great for him. He hand picked one HW just so he could snag a title at that weight class and then jump back down to LH. Incidentally, that's what hurt him in the Tarver fight. Jones had to lose about 25 pounds of muscle weight to make that fight, that is incredibly difficult and taxing on the body. It took him a while for his body to recover from that weight loss and subsequent KO.

[mongoslade223]

Agree w/Coolhand on the Jones vs. Tarver, Johnson, Hopkins, Ruiz.

IMO Jones was trying to take the same route as Mayweather, I think he/his management underestimated a couple of fighters, like thinking he could shoot back down to light heavyweight and pick up a quick payday against Tarver. The KO loss to Tarver hurt his earning power: now he had to take chances he did not want to take (Johnson, Calzaghe). Ruiz was totally calculated; Jones has admitted that already.

Mayweather has thus far turned away his challengers: he is at the point where he has no real motivation to keep fighting other than for a big payday. The only fighters in that weight range that I see giving him problems are Pacquio (speed, work rate) and Williams (size, movement,workrate)

[cool rob]

Its is amazing how people can herald Manny Pacquio on one hand for beating Oscar Delahoya and Ricky Hatton, but when Floyd beat them they were garbage? If you don't like Floyd because he is a jerk cool, but you can not take away his accomplishments or that he is the best P4P fighter, alive!

Those fighters who Floyd beat were in their prime (maybe not Sharmba Mitchell and a few others) but for the most part they were pretty hot at the time! I would have loved to see Mosely take on Corrales back in the day, oh sorry he ducked him because they were "cool", yeah ok! Just like he ducked Floyd back then. And Pacquiao? Well we shall see if he really stands the test of time, and even if he makes it past Cotto, now if he does that I will admit he is a beast, and Floyd needs to give either him or Cotto a shot, but other than that, who should Floyd really be fighting?

Paul Williams? Andre Berto? Shane Mosley? Why should he? What do any of these fighters bring to the table? Why risk a brain hemmorage to make fans happy, who are only in the sport for wwe/mma style brawls anyway?

Were people complaining when Shane Mosley fought Fernando Vargas a second time instead of giving Paul Williams a shot? These are the politics of the sport, love them or hate them, this is what it is

[Coolhand68]

Originally Posted by cool rob

Paul Williams? Andre Berto? Shane Mosley? Why should he? What do any of these fighters bring to the table? Why risk a brain hemmorage to make fans happy, who are only in the sport for wwe/mma style brawls anyway?

Why should he fight them or risk injury...because that's what true champions do, they lay it on the line and fight EVERYONE, not just handpicked apponents who compliment their style. If you want to put your name in the history books alongside the greatest fighters of all time...Robinson, Pep, Armstrong, Hagler, Duran, Leonard, etc., then you do like they did, you fight everyone they put in front of you. Sorry, but these elite athletes who have managed to market themselves well and make hundreds of millions for "playing it safe", are spoiled children, not men. You want the P4P title, fight Williams, Mosley or Manny, not JMM who is much smaller and slower, yet you hype him as something of a threat when you know deep inside he would be nothing more than a 12 round sparring partner.

Mayweather would be a lot more likeable by boxing fans if he's lose the arrogance and calling himself Money why flashing wads of cash and bling, and running with thugs. Early in his career he couldn't keep himself out of trouble and he still can't distance himself from lowlives and shady characters...just look at his father and uncle as prime examples.

[Alexus]

Originally Posted by d-iron

He never goes out on a limb and fights the fights people REALLY want to see (Margarito, Cotto,Mosley)! Honestly I doubt he ever will.

He hasn't earned the right to be named P4P king.

He's a celebrity boxer.

I have no respect for him.

Quite an MMA-like analysis that has no place here. Floyd Mayweather a great fighter, no question. You have no respect for him, you obviously don't know boxing.

Margarito was a fraud. There's no telling how long he had been cheating like that. He's irrelevant.

Mosley's best days are behind him. Those were when he was a lightweight. He jumped two weight classes to get away from Floyd. Now that he's on the tail end of his career, desperately seeking money fights as a business partner with DLH, he's after a fight with Floyd. He is no match for Mayweather. Mosley couldn't beat Vernon Forrest and a Mayweather-Mosley would be a similar fight and similar result.

A Mayweather-Cotto fight would like much like a Mayweather-Castillo fight with the same result.

Speaking of "safe" fighters, Roy Jones was probably the most defensive-first fighter since Jimmy Young. He didn't beat Hopkins, Hopkins lost because he was too cautious just the way he lost to Taylor. He didn't beat Toney, Toney lost because he was too lazy. As a poster mentioned here, Jones avoided Benn, McClellan, Jackson, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalczewski, and rematches with Toney and Hopkins. He looked superficially impressive against mediocre fighters who posed little threat. By your MMA-like definition of "safe", RJ qualifies, not Mayweather.

[Alexus]

Originally Posted by Coolhand68

Ruiz is a joke. Roy hand selected a HW that he knew was no threat to him, notice he wasn't hanging around at HW that long, at least not long enough to take on Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, one of the Klits, or even a rematch at HW with Toney.

As a middle weight, super middle weight, and light heavy weight he avoided fights with Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, Chris Eubank, Gerald McClellan, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, and rematches with Toney and Hopkins. Instead he chose play it safe and to take on guys like Richard Hall, Bryant Brannon, Richard Frazier, Vinny Pazienza, David Telesco and a host of other no names or sub-par competition. Don't get me wrong, I was and still am a big RJJ fan, but considering his astronomic talent, he fought too many opponents that posed little or no threat. When he didn't want to fight someone, he'd simply ask for an unreasonable share of the purse or more money than he knew he'd get so the fight couldn't be made. Now he's trying late in the game to seal his legacy by fighting B-rate opponents in Sheika and Lacey. His rematch with Hopkins is too late. He should be pursuing a rematch with Johnson and Tarver if he wants to seal his legacy.

Good comments.