Mayweather, safest boxer in history of the sport?

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by Coolhand68

Why should he fight them or risk injury...because that's what true champions do, they lay it on the line and fight EVERYONE, not just handpicked apponents who compliment their style. If you want to put your name in the history books alongside the greatest fighters of all time...Robinson, Pep, Armstrong, Hagler, Duran, Leonard, etc., then you do like they did, you fight everyone they put in front of you. Sorry, but these elite athletes who have managed to market themselves well and make hundreds of millions for "playing it safe", are spoiled children, not men. You want the P4P title, fight Williams, Mosley or Manny, not JMM who is much smaller and slower, yet you hype him as something of a threat when you know deep inside he would be nothing more than a 12 round sparring partner.

Mayweather would be a lot more likeable by boxing fans if he's lose the arrogance and calling himself Money why flashing wads of cash and bling, and running with thugs. Early in his career he couldn't keep himself out of trouble and he still can't distance himself from lowlives and shady characters...just look at his father and uncle as prime examples.

And I bet you a 40 0z bottle of Mickeys that if he were to fight any of the fighters that you named and won, the general public would still call him a fraud and that they don't like him "just because". Not worth it, sorry

You are saying yourself that you don't like him because of his arrogance and quasi-thuggish behavior, well that is the sport (Boxing has always been a refuge for poorly educated, street guys trying to keep their nose clean). Floyd has taken a page from Vince McMahon's playbook, and patterned himself to be a heel. People will pay money to watch the "Tyrant" be dethroned, and fail, yet it seldom happens, and when it does sentiment is usually deferred for sympathy (Mike Tyson).

And I bet you a second 40z of St. Ides that the money he is flashing, and throwing into the crowd amounts to no more than about $200 in singles wrapped in a $100 bill. Floyd is probably is only a few million liquid anyway (most of his cash was tied up in real estate/stocks/investments which took a beating due to the economy, thus partly the reason behind his return to boxing and doing corny commercials). How many "REAL" thugs/tough guys have an investment portfolio?

And if I'm wrong on either count, one (or both) of us will probably be too $ hitfaced after sipping that rotgut to know the difference

[Coolhand68]

Originally Posted by cool rob

And I bet you a 40 0z bottle of Mickeys that if he were to fight any of the fighters that you named and won, the general public would still call him a fraud and that they don't like him "just because". Not worth it, sorry

You are saying yourself that you don't like him because of his arrogance and quasi-thuggish behavior, well that is the sport (Boxing has always been a refuge for poorly educated, street guys trying to keep their nose clean). Floyd has taken a page from Vince McMahon's playbook, and patterned himself to be a heel. People will pay money to watch the "Tyrant" be dethroned, and fail, yet it seldom happens, and when it does sentiment is usually deferred for sympathy (Mike Tyson).

And I bet you a second 40z of St. Ides that the money he is flashing, and throwing into the crowd amounts to no more than about $200 in singles wrapped in a $100 bill. Floyd is probably is only a few million liquid anyway (most of his cash was tied up in real estate/stocks/investments which took a beating due to the economy, thus partly the reason behind his return to boxing and doing corny commercials). How many "REAL" thugs/tough guys have an investment portfolio?

And if I'm wrong on either count, one (or both) of us will probably be too $ hitfaced after sipping that rotgut to know the difference

The general public would not call him a fraud if he beat any of those fighters convincely, but most probably still would not like him because of his arrogance (he chooses to play the race card on this one instead of taking a hard look at himself). Just look at guys like Terrell Owens. He's extremely talented and a great athlete, but nobody likes the guy. Same with Floyd, no one is going to like him when he carries on like a prima donna. That carries over into the respect as well. They SHOULD be two different things, but often they go hand in hand. If he wants to be taken seriously, stop making unreasonable demands and dodging hard questions when you don't want to fight someone. He used Mosley's 5 losses as justification for dogding him, stating he wasn't a formidable opponent or a PPV draw, yet he turns around and fights JMM who had 4 losses at the time and is not as big a PPV draw as Mosley. Bottom line, he knew he could beat Marquez and that he posed no threat, he also knew that Mosley would give him fits in the ring and it was too much for him to risk. He's also trying to claim that Mosley and Manny are using illegal substances so he won't fight them. Any more excuses?


Look at a guy like Sugar Ray Leonard. He was a little cocky and flashy, but he was also charismatic and a gentleman. He also fought everyone they put in front of him and went out of his way to make tough fights. THAT is what champions are made of!

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by Coolhand68

The general public would not call him a fraud if he beat any of those fighters convincely, but most probably still would not like him because of his arrogance (he chooses to play the race card on this one instead of taking a hard look at himself). Just look at guys like Terrell Owens. He's extremely talented and a great athlete, but nobody likes the guy. Same with Floyd, no one is going to like him when he carries on like a prima donna. That carries over into the respect as well. They SHOULD be two different things, but often they go hand in hand. If he wants to be taken seriously, stop making unreasonable demands and dodging hard questions when you don't want to fight someone. He used Mosley's 5 losses as justification for dogding him, stating he wasn't a formidable opponent or a PPV draw, yet he turns around and fights JMM who had 4 losses at the time and is not as big a PPV draw as Mosley. Bottom line, he knew he could beat Marquez and that he posed no threat, he also knew that Mosley would give him fits in the ring and it was too much for him to risk. He's also trying to claim that Mosley and Manny are using illegal substances so he won't fight them. Any more excuses?


Look at a guy like Sugar Ray Leonard. He was a little cocky and flashy, but he was also charismatic and a gentleman. He also fought everyone they put in front of him and went out of his way to make tough fights. THAT is what champions are made of!

First:

Mosley had a chance to fight Floyd, he ducked him (remember his tooth hurt). Mosley had ample time to get Floyd in the ring up until now, he chose not too. Now that Mosley is divorced, aging, and his star is fading he is resulting to WWE tactics and other buffoonery to get a shot at Floyd. He is not popular or sought after enough to demand anything, and hope that Floyd gives him a shot. If he was smart, he would quit chaisng a big payday with Floyd, and get him a smaller pay day with Hatton, or God Forbid Paul Williams!

Also it has been confirmed that Mosely was using perfomance enhancers prior to fighting De la Hoya, look it up

And Pacquiao? Once again, he (Bob Arum/Freddie Roach) is currently choosing to play hard ball with Maywhether, arguing over money. Is this Maywhether ducking Pacquiao because he want's the maximum reward for risking his safety (Pac is getting 65/35 for Cotto, PBF would be a fool to even think of taking this split)?

Lets also not forget, that Pacquiao is teetering on the line of playing it safe (requirng fights at catch weight and not natural weights, like De la Hoya), admittley Cotto is a step up in challenge for Pac, but where was Pac when Floyd was taking on the greats? Oh yeah he was getting beaten by journey men (Torrecampo and Sengsuat, both journey men at best).

During the late 90's/early 00's, Floyd fought about 18 fights, all victories beating Manfredy, Morales, Corales, and Castillo to name a few (The same Morales that Beat Pac BTW), while Pac faced far less competition (with the exception of Marquez, who Floyd easily dominated) and still did not retain a perfect record, and padded his record with overseas competition.

Not taking anything away from Pac, the guy has plenty heart and can throw his hands, but really, when comparing the greats how he gets his name slid in their before PBF, I don't understand.

Berto has a very limited record, and almost lost against Collazo and Urango, and not a big PPV draw, in other words: It is not his turn yet, bang some top notch heads, and try again in a few years

Paul Williams, well you got me there. Floyd should give Paul a shot, on this one he (along with MANY others) are scared. I will admit that, no question.

On Sugar Ray Leonard: The same Ray Leonard who ducked Hagler for his entire career and then fought him once they both were washed up? Or the same Sugar Ray Leonard who had to continually come back to fighting, way past his prime because of bad business deals, drug addiction, and being broke. Sorry dude, but if Floyd is choosing not to go out this way, who are we to argue? Boxing is one (if not the most) cuttthroat sports out there, it is up to the fighter (and them alone) to take fights for the maximum draw first, for the sport second, and for pride third. If not, well we all have seen how that turns out

And Lastly, speaking on the race card, so far you chose that route as well (making it even more convenient for him and others to do it), comparing him to other "jerk 0ff" professional athletes who happen to be black, I didn't see you compare him to John Rocker

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by cool rob

During the late 90's/early 00's, Floyd fought about 18 fights, all victories beating Manfredy, Morales, Corales, and Castillo to name a few (The same Morales that Beat Pac BTW),

Sorry, I can't edit I take the Morales part back, it was an error, he did beat Pac but floyd never scrapped with him (was thinking about Marquez, got a little mixed up)

[Coolhand68]

Originally Posted by cool rob

First:

Mosley had a chance to fight Floyd, he ducked him (remember his tooth hurt). Mosley had ample time to get Floyd in the ring up until now, he chose not too. Now that Mosley is divorced, aging, and his star is fading he is resulting to WWE tactics and other buffoonery to get a shot at Floyd. He is not popular or sought after enough to demand anything, and hope that Floyd gives him a shot. If he was smart, he would quit chaisng a big payday with Floyd, and get him a smaller pay day with Hatton, or God Forbid Paul Williams!

Also it has been confirmed that Mosely was using perfomance enhancers prior to fighting De la Hoya, look it up

And Pacquiao? Once again, he (Bob Arum/Freddie Roach) is currently choosing to play hard ball with Maywhether, arguing over money. Is this Maywhether ducking Pacquiao because he want's the maximum reward for risking his safety (Pac is getting 65/35 for Cotto, PBF would be a fool to even think of taking this split)?

Lets also not forget, that Pacquiao is teetering on the line of playing it safe (requirng fights at catch weight and not natural weights, like De la Hoya), admittley Cotto is a step up in challenge for Pac, but where was Pac when Floyd was taking on the greats? Oh yeah he was getting beaten by journey men (Torrecampo and Sengsuat, both journey men at best).

During the late 90's/early 00's, Floyd fought about 18 fights, all victories beating Manfredy, Morales, Corales, and Castillo to name a few (The same Morales that Beat Pac BTW), while Pac faced far less competition (with the exception of Marquez, who Floyd easily dominated) and still did not retain a perfect record, and padded his record with overseas competition.

Not taking anything away from Pac, the guy has plenty heart and can throw his hands, but really, when comparing the greats how he gets his name slid in their before PBF, I don't understand.

Berto has a very limited record, and almost lost against Collazo and Urango, and not a big PPV draw, in other words: It is not his turn yet, bang some top notch heads, and try again in a few years

Paul Williams, well you got me there. Floyd should give Paul a shot, on this one he (along with MANY others) are scared. I will admit that, no question.

On Sugar Ray Leonard: The same Ray Leonard who ducked Hagler for his entire career and then fought him once they both were washed up? Or the same Sugar Ray Leonard who had to continually come back to fighting, way past his prime because of bad business deals, drug addiction, and being broke. Sorry dude, but if Floyd is choosing not to go out this way, who are we to argue? Boxing is one (if not the most) cuttthroat sports out there, it is up to the fighter (and them alone) to take fights for the maximum draw first, for the sport second, and for pride third. If not, well we all have seen how that turns out

And Lastly, speaking on the race card, so far you chose that route as well (making it even more convenient for him and others to do it), comparing him to other "jerk 0ff" professional athletes who happen to be black, I didn't see you compare him to John Rocker

So wait, when Floyd pulled the stunt on calling out Winky Wright and then demanding outrageous sums of money knowing/thinking that Wright would turn it down so that way he can make it seem as though he was willing to fight him, that's not being a punk? Wright called his bluff and accepted his terms and Floyd ran in the other direction to fight Sharmba Mitchell. Mayweather just wanted attention and had no intention of fighting Wright. That would have been the equivalent of him fighting JMM but with Wright having all the advantages.

The tooth incident was a not the whole story. Mosley had just been head butted and his tooth was loose, all he did was ask for one additional month of recovery before fighting Mayweather and they turned him down and then later signed a fight with De La Hoya instead. Mosley never ducked Floyd, he just asked that their fight take place in January instead of November or December. By the way, in 2006, Floyd turned down $8 million to fight Margarito, so what does that tell you? Floyd also turned down Shane back in 1999, when Shane was fighting at 135 and Floyd at 130, again, Floyd was the one who declinded, not Shane.

Manny is taking risks and tough fights. "Avoid Floyd" is not, he has not heart. While Manny may not defeat Floyd (he's much smaller), he will make Floyd work for his money on that night and he probably won't look "pretty" doing it. Manny is not Hatton.

Leonard did not duck Hagler his entire career. For most of his career he was a welter with plenty of tough competition, and Hagler was a natural Middle weight. FWIW I think Hagler was robbed against Leonard but that's another thread topic altogether.

Are you seriously reaching that far for straws to insinuate I am pulling some race card? So I mentioned one prominant black athlete who has a reputation for being a difficult, big mouthed, prima-donna and the best you can come up with is John Rocker? Man that's ancient history! You could have at least said Jeremy Shockey, but then even he isn't in the headlines anymore since leaving NY. Floyd is the one who said he isn't popular with fans because he's black. That is BS and you know it! He's pulling the race card. If that were true then how would you explain the popularity of Ali, Leonard, Tyson, Hagler, Robinson, Louis, Hopkins, Jones, and countless other black champions over the decades? Not to mention black athletes from other sports who are adored by fans of all races like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Shaq, Walter Payton, Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Ken Griffey Jr. etc. You have no leg to stand on trying to associate me with being racist. All of my favorite fighters have been black and Mexican, so I don't know WTF your talking about.

[d-iron]

Originally Posted by cool rob

And I bet you a 40 0z bottle of Mickeys that if he were to fight any of the fighters that you named and won, the general public would still call him a fraud and that they don't like him "just because". Not worth it, sorry

You are saying yourself that you don't like him because of his arrogance and quasi-thuggish behavior, well that is the sport (Boxing has always been a refuge for poorly educated, street guys trying to keep their nose clean). Floyd has taken a page from Vince McMahon's playbook, and patterned himself to be a heel. People will pay money to watch the "Tyrant" be dethroned, and fail, yet it seldom happens, and when it does sentiment is usually deferred for sympathy (Mike Tyson).

And I bet you a second 40z of St. Ides that the money he is flashing, and throwing into the crowd amounts to no more than about $200 in singles wrapped in a $100 bill. Floyd is probably is only a few million liquid anyway (most of his cash was tied up in real estate/stocks/investments which took a beating due to the economy, thus partly the reason behind his return to boxing and doing corny commercials). How many "REAL" thugs/tough guys have an investment portfolio?

And if I'm wrong on either count, one (or both) of us will probably be too $ hitfaced after sipping that rotgut to know the difference

Dude Mayweather is the a joke! I do admit he's a skilled/talented boxer but he might be the most defensive fighter in boxing history! He avoids getting hit like the plague, actually I think he doesn't have a chin! He calls himself "pretty boy" but there's nothing pretty about boxing like I said before he's a celebrity boxer! You know what I'm glad he got robbed for 7 million !! So this time around maybe he'll really have to prove himself in the ring. Can you believe he "retired" to get into wrestling What kind of boxer does that? What a sorry excuse of a boxer.

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by d-iron

Dude Mayweather is the a joke! I do admit he's a skilled/talented boxer but he might be the most defensive fighter in boxing history! He avoids getting hit like the plague, actually I think he doesn't have a chin! He calls himself "pretty boy" but there's nothing pretty about boxing like I said before he's a celebrity boxer! You know what I'm glad he got robbed for 7 million !! So this time around maybe he'll really have to prove himself in the ring. Can you believe he "retired" to get into wrestling What kind of boxer does that? What a sorry excuse of a boxer.

Since when did fighters get into boxing to get beaten to a bloody pulp? Obviously you know nothing about boxing, and are looking for, as Bernard Hopkins would put it "Two grown men beating the $ hit out of each other in their panties".

You are the type of "know it all/know nothing/Noob" fan who gives the sport a bad name, and have no business commenting on any fighter, as you don't really have a clue about the sport. You remind me of one of my ex-girls, who argued with me about how unfair it was to the other teams that the Patriots keep winning the pennant every year

De La Hoya was/is a lover boy mambo singer, I guess that makes him a chump too, huh? George Foreman retired to sell grills, even your idol Chuck Liddell was a vampire on TV, come on dude, be for real

Read a book, watch an actual boxing fight, or better yet put some gloves on yourself, put the bag of Doritos down, step into the ring, and see whether or not you would enjoy getting "hit" to our amusement, lets see how "tough" your chin is then

[d-iron]

Originally Posted by cool rob

Since when did fighters get into boxing to get beaten to a bloody pulp? Obviously you know nothing about boxing, and are looking for, as Bernard Hopkins would put it "Two grown men beating the $ hit out of each other in their panties".

You are the type of "know it all/know nothing/Noob" fan who gives the sport a bad name, and have no business commenting on any fighter, as you don't really have a clue about the sport. You remind me of one of my ex-girls, who argued with me about how unfair it was to the other teams that the Patriots keep winning the pennant every year

De La Hoya was/is a lover boy mambo singer, I guess that makes him a chump too, huh? George Foreman retired to sell grills, even your idol Chuck Liddell was a vampire on TV, come on dude, be for real

Read a book, watch an actual boxing fight, or better yet put some gloves on yourself, put the bag of Doritos down, step into the ring, and see whether or not you would enjoy getting "hit" to our amusement, lets see how "tough" your chin is then

No I'm not an Arturo Gotti type boxing fan. I enjoy true boxing skills (defense,a strong jab,a left hook,Skills!). Admittedley I'm no expert but I can spot bullsh*&t a mile away and Mayweather is top-notch BS! If he ever does fight Cotto or Margarito or Winky Wright regardless of outcome I'll take everything back but as long as Mayweather bullsh*&ts back and forth (retiring then coming out of retirment, wrestling,dancing with the stars etc etc etc) I'm going to keep on him.

The reason why he does not fight "big" fighters I think is because I really doubt he has a chin, that's the reason he's such a defensive fighter. When he fought De La Hoya he was starting to suffer toward the end. Mayweather is an extremely (in every since of the word) defensive boxer!

[jbub22]

At first, I loved his boxing style. Over time, it has become tiresome because his cautious boxing style matches his cautious selection of boxing opponents.

I wish he would take a chance so we could officially title him the greatest. The greatest means he took on everyone, I mean everyone and he beat them all. Otherwise, to me, he is not worth the title and even cannot lay claim to the pound for pound title, either. He's just another titleholder.