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Old 02-17-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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No, people are friendly here, they would not hate you. They'd only feel sorry for you being ripped off by the Ponderosa Pines developer.

You will find that location will end up being very expensive in the long run with the problems with getting water, your car being torn up, gas driving into a town for groceries, and especially if you have kids, it is hard to get to the school or do after school activities.

That is good to know. I am assuming you live in the area?

If you saw my electric and rent bill every month you would understand why I want to give it a go. I do have children but they home school so that isn't a concern at least. I do a lot of canning and gardening so I am hoping that will offset some of the grocery trips. If not then I will just plan my trips well and try to minimize expense. Thank you very much for your advice. Hopefully it will be a good experience overall.
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Bozeman, Montana
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Yes, I've lived in Bozeman the last 40 years.

I hope it all goes well for you. Good luck.
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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That is good to know. I am assuming you live in the area?

If you saw my electric and rent bill every month you would understand why I want to give it a go. I do have children but they home school so that isn't a concern at least. I do a lot of canning and gardening so I am hoping that will offset some of the grocery trips. If not then I will just plan my trips well and try to minimize expense. Thank you very much for your advice. Hopefully it will be a good experience overall.
The soil in the Horseshoe Hills is not very good -- but you can probably improve it enough for decent gardening. Doubtless there are neighbours who would be happy to have you haul away their horse manure. But you'll still need some sort of mulch. The best thing is deciduous leaves -- elm leaves are best but pretty well extinct east of the Rockies, but ash leaves are good too, and it only takes a year or so to turn into good soil. Hie yourself to town in the fall and volunteer to sweep up leaves in the parks (I doubt anyone will care if you clean up the parks without asking!) and from people's yards who don't need them... a couple good truckloads should suffice. Let them dry, then crush them and rototill them in. Rinse and repeat every fall.

There must be some sort of school with some school spirit up toward Toston -- a couple years ago they did a big "crop circle" with a school logo. I don't recall what it was, tho I do remember it was upsidedown (the top pointed south).

BTW on Google maps real estate I count at least 33 properties for sale right now, just in Pizzy Pines. About half down on the flat, and about half up in the rocks to the east. Turn on "Terrain view" for a shock. And it rather understates how rugged it is!

What I want to know is how they got a double-wide trailer way up there in the rocks!
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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In pieces???
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Old 02-20-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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If it didn't start in pieces, I'm sure it arrived in several

You gotta wonder what being humped over a road like that one does to their structural integrity, tho. I'd guess at the very least it makes the roof more prone to leak over time, already a problem with a lot of the older models (and there are some ancient trailers up there, which I suppose started life as bunkhouses... what's hilarious is how much money they've been hawked for! If a lot is worth $20k, and an old beat-up single-wide trailer is worth $2k -- which is probably more than it cost new -- what kind of math makes two adjacent lots with two such trailers worth $140k?? where do I get some math like this??)
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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Sell now ! Clarkston residents are in cohoots with the Gallatin County Commisionars office to pave a 14 mile stretch of road at a cost of $4.7 million ESTIMATED. Who does this benefit, those 200 property owners who live there year round. Who do they want to pay for it, all 1000 plus property owners, including the recreational property owners, many of whom rarely visit their property. That's almost $400per year in taxes, per parcel, each year for the next 20 plus years. I'm selling my acreage to the highest bidder next week.
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Assuming it's paid for in the usual way, with bond money, that's actually about $10 million including interest (more if they're 30 year bonds). Which is somewhere around $10,000 per property over the lifetime of the loan. More realistically, road projects today usually have cost overruns of close to 100%, and you can figure that the HOA fees will have to go up to account for increased road maintenance (imagine the potholes in that road in the spring, no matter how good the construction job is). So I expect the total cost per property may be closer to $20,000. Will be interesting to see how close my guess is in the end.

It would also be interesting to learn exactly WHO is agitating for this... is it the property owners, or the realtors?? I've noticed every PP listing lately has said "Road soon to be paved!"

I do think this should not be imposed without a vote of all those affected (ie. those expected to pay for it) -- how does that work in MT/Gallatin County, anyway?? However... if the majority of the lots are still realtor/speculator/developer-owned -- it could be railroaded through despite the wishes of those who actually live there, and if the debt is parcelled out proportionally to property taxes, could wind up shouldering the majority of the costs.
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Old 02-27-2010, 04:49 AM
 
Location: NW Montana
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folks this is what I left behind on the west coast
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Old 02-27-2010, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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There is a growing movement in Calif. to make the developer pay in advance for ALL such necessary improvements (the big one here that's actually affecting new developments is flood control). I think this is the most fair way to do it, because then the actual cost has to be incorporated in the initial sale price of the property... which lets the potential buyer know exactly what he's getting into right up front, instead of slapping him with it when he least expects it (or when he may not realise how much it will really cost him, as I suspect is the case with the PP road paving thing).

And if making the developer absorb those costs right up front halts the project, or if it drives the parcel/home prices too high to be salable -- oh well, maybe that development was a bad idea in the first place!!

In other words, pay as you go (instead of play now, pay later like happened with PP) will let market forces determine the outcome, without any pain to the citizens nor interference from gov't after the fact.

(Wouldn't it be great if we could make the gov't do this "pay as you go" thing too? It would end public debt and vastly reduce taxes!)
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Old 02-28-2010, 06:57 PM
 
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I've lived in Three Forks for 22 of my 43 years (I lived in other areas of MT for 21 years). I moved back to TF about 3 years ago. If it were me I wouldn't live in Clarkston (Ponderosa Pines) even if I was paid to do it. Too dry, arid and remote. There is only one reliable road in and it will tear your vehicle apart very quickly. Be prepared to go through vehicles on a regular basis and probably more repair bills than your used to (as far as a car goes). I'd advise getting a well built 4 wheel drive ie: Ford or Chevy pick up, 1/2 ton would work but 3/4 would be better.

There is a back road that does go to Toston but don't even think about it with a car. A high clearance vehicle is mandatory for that road, thats when it's dry, preferably 4x4. Probably looking at mid-May before it would be dry enough to get through easily. There is a rickety (and I mean rickety) wooden bridge that goes over Sixteen Mile Creek. I've been over it many times recently and it makes me nervous everytime. Once your over the bridge the only way to go is to Toston over a large hill that I don't even want to think about when covered with snow and ice. So that's why I say one reliable road in and out.

There is a volunteer fire dept. there but if there was a large wildland fire (and it's been very dry here for years, something along the lines of a 10 or so year drought) that road is your only way out. Depending on your location, it sounds like it's away from the main "subdivision" there isn't any power. Might be a good idea to look at some solar and wind options. I know one resident there that has played with those options. A generator would be a very good idea also. Keep a non-perishable food supply stocked which is always a good idea anyway but a real world necessity especially in the winter.

The road to get to I-90 is roughly 16 miles, further if you live farther up past the main subdivision. Once your at I-90, Three Forks is 5 miles to the West and Manhattan is 5 miles to the East. Both have grocery stores, convenience stores and gas stations. Bozeman is 20 miles East of Manhattan and probably where you would do most of your shopping in bulk. Most kids in go to school in Three Forks, if not home schooled, I believe the TF school bus runs there (at least it used to).

It's a definatley different style of living and can be done. I know a lot of people that do, just not something that I would care to do. I've been there many many times and have many friends who live and have lived there. There are a lot better places to look to buy land in my opinion that are also a lot prettier. Have you looked in the Madison Valley area? Harrison/Pony maybe or over by Ennis? That is a beautiful area and a lot easier to get to a main highway.

If you give Clarkston a shot, good luck and maybe I'll run into you in TF sometime.

P.S. There is a restaurant in Manhattan that is absolutely incredible, Sir Scotts Osasis. But make a reservation or you won't get a seat (don't believe the urban legend about Ted and Jane trying to eat there. It's a good story but not true).
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