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You can accuse me of ignorance all you want, but I'll tell you what is really true.
1. The grand old man supposed to be the Pope of Buddhism, inciting violence in Tibet. I can understand the urge to throw the Chinese out, but it's not what Popes are supposed to do. But we all know of the Urbans, the Julii or the Pornocrats, which proves the adage that Buddhism is the same piece of organized crap the anti-Christers are so bummed about. Now, there's one most rigourous and spiritual practitioner of the practice. No, the Chinese are not even close to lying. We actually have a hand in stoking up this insurgency, but it's an unwritten law. Technically speaking, per Indo-Chinese accord, we need to kick his bum out of the country. Now we'll be very interested in knowing which country in the world is man enough at irritating big China.
2. The systematic destruction of Tibetan culture and Buddhism as a religion is a long, soft process which will definitely be complete by the turn of the century, and there's no stopping the world's next almost sole superpower, unless someone pulls a world-class taliban-like gimmick. And what exactly must prevent that is bloody insurgency which has been neutered off Buddhist soil by centuries of Wussification presented by the ideals of not wanting to hurt a dead ant.
Besides, the joke was for real. When you guys buy something like Buddhism, it's actually laughable that noone is interested in history and you guys just sound off on rhetoric, based on cherry pickings from what has been sold from the buggers who wash ashore to this side of the world.
... you do know that most Buddhist aren't Tibetan Buddhist, and don't follow the Dali Lama, right?
Yet even so, I find your defense of China's works in Tibet somewhat odd.
... you do know that most Buddhist aren't Tibetan Buddhist, and don't follow the Dali Lama, right?
So, who are these, Gnostic Buddhists? This Buddha's got a belly, I remember seeing them in Burma Bazaar.
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Yet even so, I find your defense of China's works in Tibet somewhat odd.
Man, I love pineapple chicken fried rice and the nice things the fortune cookies tell me. They have treated me with so much love all those numerous trips I've taken since I was 4 or 5 that I will actually let them poach another Bengal tiger off Sariska
But seriously, those two points are what you call defence? You didn't have to actually get weed, I was merely stating it for posting sake.
So, who are these, Gnostic Buddhists? This Buddha's got a belly, I remember seeing them in Burma Bazaar.
Although some of the DL fairy tales are only slightly less ridiculous than the ones you believe in, in no way is the Dalai Lama the "Pope of Buddhism."
Just like your Pope isn't he Pope of all Christianity. Just like it would be unfair to all Christians to blame them for the Catholic church protecting pedaphiles, it would be unfair to Thai and Japanese buddhist to blame them for anything the DL does.
Have you been to Thailand, or met Japanese Buddhist? From my very limited experience with them, I don't think they were too concerned about the DL in China, although there must be a kinship.
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But seriously, those two points are what you call defence?
To be fair, I only bothered to defend the points you attacked. Had your attack had more substantive, so too would be my defense.[/quote]
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You didn't have to actually get weed, I was merely stating it for posting sake.
Haha.
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Although some of the DL fairy tales are only slightly less ridiculous than the ones you believe in, in no way is the Dalai Lama the "Pope of Buddhism."
Just like your Pope isn't he Pope of all Christianity. Just like it would be unfair to all Christians to blame them for the Catholic church protecting pedaphiles, it would be unfair to Thai and Japanese buddhist to blame them for anything the DL does.
Have you been to Thailand, or met Japanese Buddhist? From my very limited experience with them, I don't think they were too concerned about the DL in China.
Three paras, when the answer I was looking for is just, "Yes, it indeed is gnostic Buddhism". Should I have used something like Gautama's witness?
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Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill
To be fair, I only bothered to defend the points you attacked.
You can accuse me of ignorance all you want, but I'll tell you what is really true.
1. The grand old man supposed to be the Pope of Buddhism, inciting violence in Tibet. I can understand the urge to throw the Chinese out, but it's not what Popes are supposed to do. But we all know of the Urbans, the Julii or the Pornocrats, which proves the adage that Buddhism is the same piece of organized crap the anti-Christers are so bummed about. Now, there's one most rigourous and spiritual practitioner of the practice. No, the Chinese are not even close to lying. We actually have a hand in stoking up this insurgency, but it's an unwritten law. Technically speaking, per Indo-Chinese accord, we need to kick his bum out of the country. Now we'll be very interested in knowing which country in the world is man enough at irritating big China.
2. The systematic destruction of Tibetan culture and Buddhism as a religion is a long, soft process which will definitely be complete by the turn of the century, and there's no stopping the world's next almost sole superpower, unless someone pulls a world-class taliban-like gimmick. And what exactly must prevent that is bloody insurgency which has been neutered off Buddhist soil by centuries of Wussification presented by the ideals of not wanting to hurt a dead ant.
Besides, the joke was for real. When you guys buy something like Buddhism, it's actually laughable that noone is interested in history and you guys just sound off on rhetoric, based on cherry pickings from what has been sold from the buggers who wash ashore to this side of the world.
And I'm still not buying the fact that Buddhism is a religion of its own, it's an insult to Hinduism.
Drugs were an inherent part of all that meditation/enlightenment fracas/brouhaha. I asked the elders of my country as to why they banned it, when the very religion supports it in the Vedas.
Simple answer: It stunts productivity.
Result: Pacifists, loonies and sadhus. The men who actually let Islamic invaders, Brits, French, Portuguese and the like run amok and loot money and resources.
You guys can actually smoke some weed and attain instant enlightenment. Save yourself all this Buddhist talk.
Spare me and the million cheeky boys who joke about Buddhism and weed.
Your perceptions are extremely limited.
How does one respond to such a lack of true understanding when the person displaying such ignorance is so closed and hostile and hateful?
I can't use my energy in such a way.
But i hope that other posters who may be interested in Buddhism (historically and/or spiritually) will recognize, somehow, that this man is not speaking truth.
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I've mentioned before that I was raised Catholic and have found myself drawn to Buddhism. I'm sure many other religions expect much of the same, but these really caught my attention. They are a straighforward represention of relief from all the petty annoyances we see every day.
I know someone that regularly goes to Catholic Church and also continues to study in Buddhist writings. He doesn't find them contradictory at all. In fact, I know many people that follow Buddhist teachings, but they study the Bible too, because it's all about learning teachings and stories, etc...
The problem isn't really what teachings you are looking at (with respect to major "religions"), but whether people bother to follow the good things. Since most people don't bother to follow the Ten Commandments, etc...
I agree with much of your comments on the posts, see my comments.
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I don't agree with this if it means that I should remain poor. I do see that you shouldn't accumulate wealth selfishly, to impress or one up. I think Brangelina. I also want wealth, not for the bling or bragging rights, but because it will enable me to really make a difference in the lives of those less forunate. I plan to use my "resources" to help abuse victims on a grander scale than I am now.
No, not remain poor, I believe it means wealth for the sake of wealth, etc... Because it wouldn't mean never accumulate wealth, because if you accumulate wealth but can use it for good then that is ideal.
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I'm in agreement on the farming thing, though I doubt they expect us to not eat. I believe vegetarianism is encouraged. In daily life, outside of religion, I interpret this to refer to animal testing, particpating in or supporting companies that knowingly produce products harmful to humans, animals and the environment.
Generally it just means to reduce suffering if possible. Not all Buddhists practice vegetarianism, but many sects encourage it because it follows the principles. However, what I've read indicates that things are done in practical ways, so a common example is if you are begging for food you eat what you get, regardless of it's vegetarian. Though one should avoid food that has been sacrificed specifically for you.
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I don't know that they are referring to what we need to survive, are they against medical care? Again, outside of religion, animal testing and human trafficking come to mind. On the possession, I'm kind of fuzzy on that myself, though I'm inclined to think it has something to do with greed or excess.
No, there is nothing against medical care, that I've heard of. Basically, do things practically when possible, but each person should also protect themselves as necessary. So if animal testing and human trafficking can be avoided, then it is highly advised to do so, if possible.
Your perceptions are extremely limited.
How does one respond to such a lack of true understanding when the person displaying such ignorance is so closed and hostile and hateful?
I can't use my energy in such a way.
But i hope that other posters who may be interested in Buddhism (historically and/or spiritually) will recognize, somehow, that this man is not speaking truth.
As they respectfully say, the right to agree to disagree.
Ignorant. Closed. Hostile. Hateful. Not speaking the truth. Too many attributes on the plate . I don't speak off a book or hearing some bogus yogi speak. I'm a realist. I've seen it in the flesh. But this is a weird forum. Someone actually tried to teach me Sanskrit. C/D betters itself every 24 hours.
I'll just say I'll stand outside of everyone else's Utopia.
I'll just say I'll stand outside of everyone else's Utopia.
Well sure, but withen 24 hours you managed to rise in the defense of the Nazis, blaim the Dalie Lama for proviking the Chinese in Tibet, and advocated a more violent philosophy be adopted by the world.
So maybe your idea of Utopia is not the same as everyone elses?
As they respectfully say, the right to agree to disagree.
Ignorant. Closed. Hostile. Hateful. Not speaking the truth. Too many attributes on the plate . I don't speak off a book or hearing some bogus yogi speak. I'm a realist. I've seen it in the flesh. But this is a weird forum. Someone actually tried to teach me Sanskrit. C/D betters itself every 24 hours.
I'll just say I'll stand outside of everyone else's Utopia.
I've read some of your posts and you're an intelligent dude.
Or you are at least articulate since much of what you post about i have little to no knowledge of, so actually, i'm not sure if you do indeed know what you're talking about much of the time.
I'll assume that you do though.
But regarding Buddhism, you're uninformed and misinformed.
I can't even address some previous erroneous statements you've made but this post of yours is more simple.
So:
Buddhism has absolutely nothing to do with "utopia" and a sincere Buddhist tends to be about as "real" as you can get.
If i could get you on my wavelength i'd send you a piece of etheric humble pie ... another little something to add to that plate.
And to assume that i am as you said, "speaking off a book or hearing some bogus yogi speak" is a mistake.
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