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Old 07-08-2013, 04:12 AM
 
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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I'm hoping to see the falls the end of summer. Would love to also check out the Canadian side, but I have zero interset in the casinos. I want to see the falls. I plan on going to the aquarium and park also. I've lived in NY for an awfully long time and I've never been out there which is a shame!
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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I'm hoping to see the falls the end of summer. Would love to also check out the Canadian side, but I have zero interset in the casinos. I want to see the falls. I plan on going to the aquarium and park also. I've lived in NY for an awfully long time and I've never been out there which is a shame!
You will need either a passport or an enhanced license to cross the border. The passport only takes 2-3 weeks to get.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:02 PM
 
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Ck, that article is encouraging... finally an acknowledgement of the most important item, quality of life for the residents.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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You will need either a passport or an enhanced license to cross the border. The passport only takes 2-3 weeks to get.
I know this! I do live in NY after all. Every trip to the DMV has several posters with the Enhanced License on it especially around here.
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:29 AM
 
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Ck, that article is encouraging... finally an acknowledgement of the most important item, quality of life for the residents.
I agree, as that seems to be left out when talking about Niagara Falls. It is nice to see a place trying to restore and repair itself. I hope the city is able to do so and can maintain the bright spots that are still there. What I've found to be interesting about Niagara Falls is that it still has some solid neighborhoods and while not the greatest, for a big urban school, Niagara Falls High is respectable(75% graduation rate, which is around state and national percentage). So, it has some things to build off of.
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:54 AM
 
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Niagara Falls has so many problems that I doubt it will ever make a comeback in my lifetime. Decades of political corruption. Certain developers allowing prime property to go unused. Lack of decent public transportation to-and-from Buffalo. Dangerous "hoods" between downtown and Lasalle. Toxic waste sites all over the city. A shrunken taxbase from when all of the factories closed up shop. Etc, etc, etc. The city is a national embarrassment, which is why most sensible tourists opt for the Canadian side of the Rainbow Bridge.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Niagara Falls has so many problems that I doubt it will ever make a comeback in my lifetime. Decades of political corruption. Certain developers allowing prime property to go unused. Lack of decent public transportation to-and-from Buffalo. Dangerous "hoods" between downtown and Lasalle. Toxic waste sites all over the city. A shrunken taxbase from when all of the factories closed up shop. Etc, etc, etc. The city is a national embarrassment, which is why most sensible tourists opt for the Canadian side of the Rainbow Bridge.
Similar things have been said about other cities that have transformed themselves. So, who knows? It still has redeeming qualities and its location can be used to its advantage. There have been Downtown apartments put into some of the older buildings there and areas like DeVeaux, LaSalle and near Little Italy/Pine Avenue are at least solid. Besides the public schools, which are actually still decent, there are private options as well(Niagara Catholic, for now). Many still go to the tourist attractions and the casino. So, the potential is there.

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Old 07-09-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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Similar things have been said about other cities that have transformed themselves. So, who knows? It still has redeeming qualities and its location can be used to its advantage. There have been Downtown apartments put into some of the older buildings there and areas like DeVeaux, LaSalle and near Little Italy/Pine Street are at least solid. Besides the public schools, which are actually still decent, there are private options as well(Niagara Catholic, for now). Many still go to the tourist attractions and the casino. So, the potential is there.
Which cities comparable to Niagara Falls have transformed themselves? When I think of the cities that are most similar to NFNY, I see a bunch of cities in bad shape:

Flint. Still hasn't recovered from the loss of industry. Has the same problems as Niagara Falls, only on a larger scale. It has been the nation's most dangerous city for three straight years.

Youngstown. Another city that isn't showing any progress, unless you count razing a bunch of abandoned buildings as "progress" (if that's the case, then Buffalo is Boomtown USA!)

Gary. Good example of a casino not being any sort of "savior". Per capita income is only $15,000 and crime is still very high. One recent study from November 2012 shows that Gary is the most underpoliced city in the entire country.

East St. Louis. Like Gary, it has a large casino and is located closer to a major city than Niagara Falls, with better public transportation servicing the city. Still hasn't helped.

Reno. This city was one of the hardest hit in the recession and is struggling to rebound. Its job market is very poor from what I have read, causing many of its residents to seek greener pastures.

Atlantic City. Was struggling even before Hurricane Sandy hit, largely due to new casinos opening in nearby states.

Utica? Still a dumpy, one-horse town last time I checked.

The only similar city I can think of that has transformed itself (at least in the main business district) is Newark, which is more comparable to Buffalo than to Niagara Falls.

While Niagara Falls has the advantage of being situated next to a natural wonder, it also has to contend with a corrupt political culture (at all levels); stubborn real estate developers like Howard Milstein who continue to impede progress in the main tourist areas; competition from Niagara Falls, Ontario for tourist dollars; being a mostly ghetto city with few economic opportunities available; having more hazardous waste sites than any other city in NYS; among other issues.

I do find it surprising that Niagara Falls High School has a 75% graduation rate when you take demographics into account. They seem to be doing a lot better than the BPS system in that regard. It's too bad that most NFHS graduates will have to move out-of-town if they wish to find decent employment.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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Which cities comparable to Niagara Falls have transformed themselves? When I think of the cities that are most similar to NFNY, I see a bunch of cities in bad shape:

Flint. Still hasn't recovered from the loss of industry. Has the same problems as Niagara Falls, only on a larger scale. It has been the nation's most dangerous city for three straight years.

Youngstown. Another city that isn't showing any progress, unless you count razing a bunch of abandoned buildings as "progress" (if that's the case, then Buffalo is Boomtown USA!)

Gary. Good example of a casino not being any sort of "savior". Per capita income is only $15,000 and crime is still very high. One recent study from November 2012 shows that Gary is the most underpoliced city in the entire country.

East St. Louis. Like Gary, it has a large casino and is located closer to a major city than Niagara Falls, with better public transportation servicing the city. Still hasn't helped.

Reno. This city was one of the hardest hit in the recession and is struggling to rebound. Its job market is very poor from what I have read, causing many of its residents to seek greener pastures.

Atlantic City. Was struggling even before Hurricane Sandy hit, largely due to new casinos opening in nearby states.

Utica? Still a dumpy, one-horse town last time I checked.

The only similar city I can think of that has transformed itself (at least in the main business district) is Newark, which is more comparable to Buffalo than to Niagara Falls.

While Niagara Falls has the advantage of being situated next to a natural wonder, it also has to contend with a corrupt political culture (at all levels); stubborn real estate developers like Howard Milstein who continue to impede progress in the main tourist areas; competition from Niagara Falls, Ontario for tourist dollars; being a mostly ghetto city with few economic opportunities available; having more hazardous waste sites than any other city in NYS; among other issues.

I do find it surprising that Niagara Falls High School has a 75% graduation rate when you take demographics into account. They seem to be doing a lot better than the BPS system in that regard. It's too bad that most NFHS graduates will have to move out-of-town if they wish to find decent employment.
People have said the same thing about bigger cities with a strong industrial history like Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Detroit, in which each city is seeing some reinvestment. While they are bigger, they can be examples for a smaller city like Niagara Falls. Ironically, Niagara Falls, ON has a similarly industrial history and is viewed somewhat similarly in Ontario. Hoboken NJ is a smaller city that has also seen recent development and investment.

As for NFHS graduates, I don't know where they go and that will depend on many factors. So, it is tough to say where they go.

There are also some BPS high schools with graduation rates that are around or higher than NFHS. City Honors, DaVinci, Hutch Tech and Buffalo Arts come to mind.
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