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Old 06-11-2013, 07:23 PM
 
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Lancaster is definitely middle class, not wealthy. Some parts of the village are even working class. Look at median incomes there, much lower than you would think.

Newer house doesn't always equal wealthy.
Thank you again. Living here does not mean wealthy.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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I'd say this is accurate. I think the area from Nottingham Terrace to Amherst Street is technically considered North Buffalo, but there are some very pricey pads there, too, particularly east of Delaware.

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The area of Buffalo you are referencing is from the 198 north to Amherst St, from Elmwood east to Colvin.

Most of this ( the part west of Delaware Ave.) was the Pan American Exposition. When that was torn down, the entire area was built up and the homes are lovely, for the most part. The area on the east of Delaware is a bit newer.

In any case, some of those places are classier than anything in the area, except maybe a mansion here and there.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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Okay, here's a list of Towns in EC. Tell me which ones are the tops?. Lancaster is definitely one of the top 5. I would say that makes it one of the wealthiest towns. What income is middle class?

Akron (village)
Alden (town)
Alden (village)
Amherst (town)
Angola on the Lake (hamlet)
Angola (village)
Aurora (town)
Billington Heights (hamlet)
Blasdell (village)
Boston (town)
Bowmansville (hamlet)
Brant (town)
Buffalo (city)
Cheektowaga (town)
Clarence Center (hamlet)
Clarence (town)
Clarence (hamlet)
Colden (town)
Collins (town)
Concord (town)
Depew (village)
Derby (hamlet)
East Amherst (hamlet)
East Aurora (village)
Eden (town)
Elma Center
Elma (town)
Evans (town)
Farnham (village)
Gowanda (village)
Grand Island (town)
Hamburg (town)
Hamburg (village)
Harris Hill (hamlet)
Holland (town)
Kenmore (village)
Lackawanna (city)
Lake Erie Beach (hamlet)
Lake View (hamlet)
Lancaster (town)
Lancaster (village)
Marilla (town)
Newstead (town)
North Boston
North Collins (town)
North Collins (village)
Orchard Park (town)
Orchard Park (village)
Sardinia (town)
Sloan (village)
Snyder (hamlet)
Springville (village)
Tonawanda (town)
Tonawanda (city)
Town Line (hamlet)
Wales (town)
West Seneca (town)
Williamsville (village)
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, NY
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Okay, here's a list of Towns in EC. Tell me which ones are the tops?. Lancaster is definitely one of the top 5. I would say that makes it one of the wealthiest towns. What income is middle class?

Akron (village)
Alden (town)
Alden (village)
Amherst (town)
Angola on the Lake (hamlet)
Angola (village)
Aurora (town)
Billington Heights (hamlet)
Blasdell (village)
Boston (town)
Bowmansville (hamlet)
Brant (town)
Buffalo (city)
Cheektowaga (town)
Clarence Center (hamlet)
Clarence (town)
Clarence (hamlet)
Colden (town)
Collins (town)
Concord (town)
Depew (village)
Derby (hamlet)
East Amherst (hamlet)
East Aurora (village)
Eden (town)
Elma Center
Elma (town)
Evans (town)
Farnham (village)
Gowanda (village)
Grand Island (town)
Hamburg (town)
Hamburg (village)
Harris Hill (hamlet)
Holland (town)
Kenmore (village)
Lackawanna (city)
Lake Erie Beach (hamlet)
Lake View (hamlet)
Lancaster (town)
Lancaster (village)
Marilla (town)
Newstead (town)
North Boston
North Collins (town)
North Collins (village)
Orchard Park (town)
Orchard Park (village)
Sardinia (town)
Sloan (village)
Snyder (hamlet)
Springville (village)
Tonawanda (town)
Tonawanda (city)
Town Line (hamlet)
Wales (town)
West Seneca (town)
Williamsville (village)
Definitely top 10, but not top 5. For Western New York, Upper Middle Class starts in the 85-90K range. The attached map lays it out (Zoom out on it to compare it to other neighborhoods: http://www.city-data.com/income/inco...-New-York.html

( That seems so low compared to where I live (Long Island) where 100K is barely middle class!)
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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If you drop the town / village distinction it is definitely top 5. Yes, the wages up here are depressed, but that's what I said before, not middle class for our area.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:33 AM
 
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Just as a frame of reference, the median household income in the US is around $53,000, NY State is around $57,000 and around $49,000 for Erie County. For the village of Lancaster, it is around $54,000. Lancaster (village) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, NY
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If you drop the town / village distinction it is definitely top 5. Yes, the wages up here are depressed, but that's what I said before, not middle class for our area.
Nope it's solidly middle class: Median Household Income Rank of City within 50 miles of Grand Island, NY Based on ACS 2006-2010 data*

Median Household Income Rank of City within 50 miles of Grand Island, NY

Based on ACS 2006-2010 data*
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RankMedian Household Income ▼City / Population1.$86,306Clarence Center, NY / 2,1412.$76,333Harris Hill, NY / 5,2213.$73,661Grandyle Village, NY / 4,6824.$73,468Orchard Park, NY / 3,2435.$72,212Billington Heights, NY / 1,6686.$71,576Clarence, NY / 2,9537.$70,969Rapids, NY / 1,4698.$68,669Eden, NY / 3,8349.$68,393Wanakah, NY / 3,37510.$65,381Williamsville, NY / 5,32011.$64,063Hamburg, NY / 9,51312.$63,412Gasport, NY / 1,28313.$62,894East Aurora, NY / 6,29114.$61,250Sunset Bay, NY / 90114.$61,250Strykersville, NY / 50416.$61,167Elma Center, NY / 2,73517.$60,875Elba, NY / 76518.$60,054North Boston, NY / 2,50519.$59,615Youngstown, NY / 1,91720.$58,051Holland, NY / 1,03521.$55,935Eggertsville, NY / 15,09622.$55,429Lewiston, NY / 2,70623.$54,645Lake Erie Beach, NY / 3,94924.$54,318Alexander, NY / 62025.$52,305Lancaster, NY / 10,44926.$52,301West Seneca, NY / 44,71927.$52,273Wilson, NY / 1,16628.$51,548Angola, NY / 2,03729.$51,532Town Line, NY / 2,88930.$51,250Machias, NY / 72931.$50,845Corfu, NY / 77032.$50,714Newfane, NY / 3,34733.$50,323Ransomville, NY / 1,70934.$49,886Akron, NY / 2,89235.$49,792Olcott, NY / 1,26536.$49,434Angola On The Lake, NY / 1,40337.$49,306Lime Lake, NY / 92738.$48,750Cassadaga, NY / 59739.$48,558Depew, NY / 15,45440.$48,438Perrysburg, NY / 39541.$48,330Tonawanda CDP, NY / 58,54642.$48,309Barker, NY / 64543.$47,955West Valley, NY / 44844.$47,621Alden, NY / 2,60245.$47,196Attica, NY / 2,50846.$47,105Tonawanda, NY / 15,24947.$47,083Farnham, NY / 23748.$46,430Kenmore, NY / 15,54549.$46,250North Collins, NY / 1,01850.$45,998Cheektowaga, NY / 75,755
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, NY
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If you think making 52K a year is rich, you must be surrounded by people on welfare or making minimum wage!
Two people working at a call center can easily make that together.

It may be a reflection of not how rich people in Lancaster are, but how poor the people in many sections of the City of Buffalo are.

Don't blame people in Buffalo's suburbs for the poverty of inner-city Buffalo. Even the upper class in Buffalo is relatively powerless compared to the real movers and shakers along the east coast. If you are looking for someone to target your anger, go after my Wall Street neighbors down where I live (Long Island). They are the real "evil empire" that has the fate of places like Buffalo in their hands. Don't pick on some middle class person who has worked hard to buy a 4 bedroom home in Lancaster. They should be comended for making use of Western New York's limited opportunities.

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Old 06-12-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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If you think making 52K a year is rich, you must be surrounded by people on welfare or making minimum wage!
Two people working at a call center can easily make that together.

It may be a reflection of not how rich people in Lancaster are, but how poor the people in many sections of the City of Buffalo are.

Don't blame people in Buffalo's suburbs for the poverty of inner-city Buffalo. Even the upper class in Buffalo is relatively powerless compared to the real movers and shakers along the east coast. If you are looking for someone to target your anger, go after my Wall Street neighbors down where I live (Long Island). They are the real "evil empire" that has the fate of places like Buffalo in their hands. Don't pick on some middle class person who has worked hard to buy a 4 bedroom home in Lancaster. They should be comended for making use of Western New York's limited opportunities.

Very well said!! Wish I could rep you twice!
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Old 06-12-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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Cheer up, Port, he is only trying to put Lancaster in rich to pick at me. [I have been told my taxes can't possibly be what they are. Cripe, I'm so far out, I don't have sewers! Shaves a big bit off the taxes and we take care of the septic better than the town keeps an eye out... its just us and one system; not paying for the entire town and if there is a problem, the town takes its time dealing with it. We're county water as well; but the well is still there -- not that I would use it. ]

If you take the town as it was up until about 5 years ago, it was middle class with people who generally had older village homes, 1950/60s builds and farms. [NOTE: City-data only lists the village as Lancaster -- very erroneous. Most other sites need to add in different tracts. I come up in Dellwood or Town Line if you put in my address on sites or even E. Lancaster.;] Now the farms are selling off. They are being built on as developments and guess what? They are bigger and more expensive than any houses already here. Even the patio homes are outrageous. As well, some builder bought an old quarry and put in homes around it starting at about $400K.[ My kids learned to swim in "Willow Beach"... it is a quarry that hit a spring!] Now it is upper class housing -- backing up to -- guess what? More quarries and industry.[ and that little 15 home development skews my area for income and high cost...... its a rare few with houses like that, but put those 15 in? The median income jumps like mad] So, what do we have here? Lots and lots of people who are middle class and new developments of people who spend every penny to "live in the burbs" ( Can you say rerun of Clarence 20 years ago? Or Hamburg developments in the past 15?) Is the town changing? Yes. It will take a decade or two until it really changes; personally, I was happy with it the way it was pre-development. The developments and newer places sap our services, add to the strain on the things like fire and police... but do not sap the schools; enrollment is down, just like 20 years ago -- we have one school they close and mothball and then open when lots of kids are in the population.. We are down in enrollment and its is a leanly run district.

So, if you want to take his argument and assume that only developments are this town? Yeah, we look toward the top. However, if you come out and look at the town, it is very normal... and maybe the complainer should come out and work in the Food Pantry in Trinity Church and see how many people are "wealthy"
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