Buffalo + NO JOBS = BYE (Union, Phoenix: fit in, real estate, rent)

[itSmellsBAD]

Originally Posted by vicarian

So, you're telling us that the unions will cause the jobs to move right out of here in ten years, right? I can't wait for Intel to shift more of its operations to India either.

The reason why I never visit here often is because people are convinced the place they leave is a complete sh*tole, and the place they are going is heaven on earth. The reality check must've bounced, because neither one is completely perfect or imperfect.

Just stating a fact. Union Pipefitters make over $30 an hour plus pension and benfits added on top of that. Intel is expanding in AZ. Refinery is being built. Power plants are being built.

In Buffalo, we have to BRIBE Bass Pro with $60,000,000 dollars to build a retail outfit that will provide minimum wage jobs and they STILL CAN"T GET THEM TO BUILD IT! We can't even put a bridge over the Niagara River after over TEN YEARS of bickering! Time to move on. I'm leaving and never looking back. The grass is greener everywhere when compared to WNY.

[aka_mouse]

Originally Posted by ScrantonWilkesBarre

Climate. Pure and simple. There's nothing wrong with the quality of life in my area, but PA has basically stagnated in population due to its harsh winters. The same can be said for the rest of the Northeast and Upper Midwest.

Humans, being mammals, this shouldn't be an issue.

Ive figured out whats really going on though, these people that are leaving - they are reptoids in disguise.

And good riddance.

[I'minformed2]

The reality check must've bounced...damn I wish I had thought of that one myself a while ago. BTW I'm actually not being sarcastic and your'e spot on with your above statements vicarian.

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by aka_mouse

Humans, being mammals, this shouldn't be an issue.

Ive figured out whats really going on though, these people that are leaving - they are reptoids in disguise.

And good riddance.

I'm picturing some of my snowbird neighbors taking off their "human suits" when they head South and West to turn into crocodiles! LOL!

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by Wendy22

Then why is Phoenix one the fastest growing cities in the US if it's so bad ? Why are droves of people moving their from upsate NY and other Northeast and Midwest Cities ?

If you want to be technical, I believe North Carolina, more specifically the Raleigh/Durham and Charlotte areas, has become the lead state for ex-NY/PA/NJ transplants in recent years. Just look at its popularity on this message board. Furthermore, look how many NC natives gripe about we Tri-Staters for ruining their quality-of-life. Sprawlanta with its 5.1 million residents also has quite a large number of folks from our region, including several of my relatives and former PA residents. Phoenix and Tucson are growing so quickly largely because of their proximity to our Southern neighbors (if you catch my drift).

I don't mean to come off so rude or brash, and I'm sorry if I have in any of my replies. However, I'm a firm believer that the current severe drought facing these sprawling boom towns in the Southeast is only the start of more infrastructural woes in the years to come that will drive more folks back with their tails between their legs and crows in their mouths to our dreaded "Rust Belt" to help reinvigorate them. I'm taking a gamble as a 21-year-old college student by staying put here in Scranton, purchasing a home inexpensively, and then laughing all the way to the bank at retirement when I can sell my home in 40 years with a highly-appreciated value at a point in time when the largest exports of the Northeast and Midwest will no longer be their people. In my own personal case Scranton will likely be annexed as a distant satellite city of New York City within 40 years (the growth is already at our doorstep and the commuter rail line will only bring it closer), but I'm confident that Buffalo will be able to revive itself independently, relying on its own history, culture, and heritage to attract people back. The Rust Belt can't decline forever. I actually enjoy our winters; they make me appreciate the nicer days even more than if we were exposed to that sort of sunny weather 340 days per year.

[Genghis]

You are just young and idealistic. By the time you're 28 you'll have moved to New York City, ditched the guy with the bad breath, and will be complaining about how dissappointed you were with Scranton PA, and how it has no future, people are leaving in droves, the weather sucks....

Originally Posted by ScrantonWilkesBarre

If you want to be technical, I believe North Carolina, more specifically the Raleigh/Durham and Charlotte areas, has become the lead state for ex-NY/PA/NJ transplants in recent years. Just look at its popularity on this message board. Furthermore, look how many NC natives gripe about we Tri-Staters for ruining their quality-of-life. Sprawlanta with its 5.1 million residents also has quite a large number of folks from our region, including several of my relatives and former PA residents. Phoenix and Tucson are growing so quickly largely because of their proximity to our Southern neighbors (if you catch my drift).

I don't mean to come off so rude or brash, and I'm sorry if I have in any of my replies. However, I'm a firm believer that the current severe drought facing these sprawling boom towns in the Southeast is only the start of more infrastructural woes in the years to come that will drive more folks back with their tails between their legs and crows in their mouths to our dreaded "Rust Belt" to help reinvigorate them. I'm taking a gamble as a 21-year-old college student by staying put here in Scranton, purchasing a home inexpensively, and then laughing all the way to the bank at retirement when I can sell my home in 40 years with a highly-appreciated value at a point in time when the largest exports of the Northeast and Midwest will no longer be their people. In my own personal case Scranton will likely be annexed as a distant satellite city of New York City within 40 years (the growth is already at our doorstep and the commuter rail line will only bring it closer), but I'm confident that Buffalo will be able to revive itself independently, relying on its own history, culture, and heritage to attract people back. The Rust Belt can't decline forever. I actually enjoy our winters; they make me appreciate the nicer days even more than if we were exposed to that sort of sunny weather 340 days per year.

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by Genghis

You are just young and idealistic. By the time you're 28 you'll have moved to New York City, ditched the guy with the bad breath, and will be complaining about how dissappointed you were with Scranton PA, and how it has no future, people are leaving in droves, the weather sucks....

I don't think so. Yes, the people certainly leave a LOT to be desired with their bickering and griping about everything, including a new baseball franchise, commuter rail to NYC, or a new medical school. However, I'm looking in the LONG-TERM here, not in the short-term. In the short-term living here will drive me up the wall. In the long-term, I foresee nothing but great things.

[I'minformed2]

Originally Posted by itSmellsBAD

Just stating a fact. Union Pipefitters make over $30 an hour plus pension and benfits added on top of that. Intel is expanding in AZ. Refinery is being built. Power plants are being built.

In Buffalo, we have to BRIBE Bass Pro with $60,000,000 dollars to build a retail outfit that will provide minimum wage jobs and they STILL CAN"T GET THEM TO BUILD IT! We can't even put a bridge over the Niagara River after over TEN YEARS of bickering! Time to move on. I'm leaving and never looking back. The grass is greener everywhere when compared to WNY.

So WNY is the absolute worst place on earth? WOW I guess I should move to Baghdad then.

[NYGirl1216]

Please, if you hate Buffalo so much, just move to a city where you will be happy! It just seems so childish and silly to spend so much time complaining about WNY, just find you're "utopian city" - that does not exist! I left WNY last year in search of a better job and to escape the winters. But, I still have respect for Buffalo. I have no reason to bash the city.

[iloveupstateny]

My big worry is lack of jobs. I work in education, (not a teacher) but it is still ultra competitive. I am smart and people like me (go figure?) but I never really even get an interview for the few WNY jobs that I see posted in the summer. I am wondering how long I will have to wait to come back! I am sick of renting and want to buy a house but I am always living "in limbo" here in the South until I can get something back home. "Limbo-land" is getting ridiculous however and I would like to settle! Plus, I can feel the crunch of having my parents get older---so do I need to relocate them down here to a place that I really don't like?????

I wonder what generation this whole "WNY job/life/moving issue" affects the most? I guess I'd have to say it would be 30-somethings but maybe that is because that is what I am. We are trying to 'establish" ourselves, I don't think a lot of jobs were available about 8 yrs ago in the area....because my whole high school class is not living in NY anymore. When you are 20+ a city like Charlotte or Phoenix and cheap living rocks. Any 40 somethings or older have a perspective on this?