Buffalo + NO JOBS = BYE (New York, Bethel: cul-de-sac, new home, neighborhood)

[londonbarcelona]

Originally Posted by Clutch718

There are 3 seasons in Arizona

Hell, Summer, and 4 weeks of something resembling Fall or Spring.

LOL
Right you are.
However, it's mostly the Phoenix/Tuscon area that is way too hot!
I'd say it's more like Hell, Hell, Hell and kinda cold....

[I'minformed2]

Is the situation in Pittsburgh really any better than Buffalo? I was always under the impression that Buffalo was a little better off than Pittsburgh economically and migration-wize.

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by I'minformed2

Is the situation in Pittsburgh really any better than Buffalo? I was always under the impression that Buffalo was a little better off than Pittsburgh economically and migration-wize.

I think Pittsburgh has the highest outmigration in the country for a metro area, it even outpaces Buffalo. One good thing however, is they are actually redoing their downtown area, and it's actually pretty decent now. Overall the economic health however is pretty poor, similar to Buffalo. I don't know which is in worse shape from an economic standpoint. Pittsburgh is a larger city definitely though.

[londonbarcelona]

Originally Posted by I'minformed2

Is the situation in Pittsburgh really any better than Buffalo? I was always under the impression that Buffalo was a little better off than Pittsburgh economically and migration-wize.

IMO I feel Pittsburgh is better off. Much better off. Take a look at the forum over there, it is quite a place to gain knowledge.

I commute between Scottsdale, AZ and Pittsburgh, PA and desire to live in Pittsburgh full time ASAP. Don't get me wrong, I really, really like Scottsdale, but it's just not "home."

Pittsburgh on the other hand is similar to Buffalo, within a few hours drive of my family and is experiencing a renaissance of sorts in the tech/IT/medical research industries.
Not to mention, the universities there are top notch. It's not Buffalo and there is no lake, but it's close enough for me! I actually like Pittsburgh and it's suburbs a lot. It's SO beautiful!

[iloveupstateny]

Originally Posted by I'minformed2

Is the situation in Pittsburgh really any better than Buffalo? I was always under the impression that Buffalo was a little better off than Pittsburgh economically and migration-wize.

Pittsburgh has been experiencing a renaissance indeed in past years. Hospitals are top notch, as well as IT (with Carnegie Mellon be a leader in the field) and banking works there well. I lived in the 'burgh and it is still very affordable! If Buffalo could revitalize like Pgh, it would be amazing!

[londonbarcelona]

Originally Posted by iloveupstateny

Pittsburgh has been experiencing a renaissance indeed in past years. Hospitals are top notch, as well as IT (with Carnegie Mellon be a leader in the field) and banking works there well. I lived in the 'burgh and it is still very affordable! If Buffalo could revitalize like Pgh, it would be amazing!

It really would be amazing. Gosh, I'd really love to see that some day! You never know...

[ScranBarre]

Agreed. Pittsburgh, no offense, is blowing Buffalo out of the water in recent years in terms of reinventing itself. While just about every city in PA, OH, and Upstate NY has declined horrendously over the past 50 years, certain cities are starting to ebb that trend---Pittsburgh is one of the luckier ones. Yes, its population continues to decline, but I never saw population decline as a measure of a city's quality-of-life. After all, Newark, NJ is growing in population. Should we all move there? After all, if it's growing by leaps and bounds then it must be a beautiful place to live, right? Such logic is rather specious.

I judge a city moreso on the level of civic pride its own residents have for it. Pittsburgh has many more "boosters" than it does detractors. Similarly, Buffalo has many more detractors than it has boosters. Here in Scranton, the split is now roughly 50/50, which is an improvement over the Buffalo-like negativity I used to battle just a few years ago. What folks don't seem to realize is the simple adage of "you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar" applies in terms of economic revival as well. Companies and new residents will want to invest in a city that residents see on an upswing; they are generally repulsed by cities that scream "woe is me; pull the plug." Pittsburgh's recent recovery has been largely driven by its boosters ovepowering its detractors in order to scream to the world "The Steel City is back in business and ready to rock 'n roll."

Similarly, Scranton has had so many mentions in national magazines in recent years as being the setting for NBC's "The Office", "Wall Street West", "Hollywood East", etc. that more folks are now investing here. I'm fielding many more inquiries recently about the city itself, and Lackawanna County, in which Scranton is situated, has shown its first year of population growth last year after decades of decline. The more "hype" a city gets, the more likely it will be to attract new investment.

If you all want Buffalo to shine brightly again, then you must follow the lead of cities like Pittsburgh and Scranton---stop screaming your negatives to the world, and start highlighting the benefits of living in Western New York. None of us give a damn if you think life sucks in Buffalo; we're more interested in reasons why we should ponder relocating there and/or investing there. It is YOUR job to sell Buffalo to a world that has since written it off as being economically viable. I've taken this route with Scranton, and thus far I've been very successful in luring several new families to our city. How many of you can say the same about Buffalo when all you do is moan, groan, and b*tch about how much you hate living there?

I can honestly say that from an outsider's perspective, I would never want to live in Buffalo based upon what I've heard from folks there---most of which is negative. However, I'd ponder moving to Pittsburgh based upon folks there showing so much civic pride. It takes a happy person to want to show off their hometowns. Pittsburgh has that. Scranton finally now has that. Rochester has that. What is Buffalo waiting for? A swift kick in the rear-end? Want to "fix" Buffalo? Then stop criminalizing it on cyberspace. Focusing on the positive instead of the negative sends a clear message to the rest of the world that Buffalo is a city on the rebound and should be considered as a potential relocation destination for residents and businesses alike.

[Genghis]

It would be nice if one could focus on the positives, but sometimes reality gets in the way. People tend to say what they feel is true. If they rag on Buffalo all the time, maybe it's because there's something actually wrong with the place.

I just don't see why every single post-industrial ****hole needs to be revitalized. They built Buffalo where it was because it was a convenient city half way between the midwest and the east coast. Grain from the west goes east, industrial products from the east goes west. Through lakes and canals it goes. Then motorized trucks became popular. Then came the St Lawrence Seaway. Now Buffalo found itself in an inconvenient location, with nasty winter weather. There's no real reason to keep propping up the place, it's been in decline for half a century and there is absolutely no sign of real economic change here. Building lots of office buildings downtown won't create companies. Whenever you hear of some company moving operations here, there are always enormous subsidies and tax breaks to get them here. This is ridiculous. Paying companies to slow the agonizing miserable decline of a city. Why can't people accept change?

I realize Pittsburgh or Scranton might be faring better, but Buffalo is unique in having such a negative reputation. It's like this place is the last place team. So what was I supposed to do, strive and struggle, so someday we might be just below average, and not at the bottom? Anyhow, I couldn't deal with that. Trying to build a life in such a place. I can't imagine going through life, watching my city gradually go down the tubes, trying to "be positive" about it. I'd just end out getting depressed.

Anyhow, one thing I do agree on, is I should stop complaining since I'm leaving now. The point is... it's hard to be positive in this kind of situation.

Originally Posted by ScrantonWilkesBarre

Agreed. Pittsburgh, no offense, is blowing Buffalo out of the water in recent years in terms of reinventing itself. While just about every city in PA, OH, and Upstate NY has declined horrendously over the past 50 years, certain cities are starting to ebb that trend---Pittsburgh is one of the luckier ones. Yes, its population continues to decline, but I never saw population decline as a measure of a city's quality-of-life. After all, Newark, NJ is growing in population. Should we all move there? After all, if it's growing by leaps and bounds then it must be a beautiful place to live, right? Such logic is rather specious.

I judge a city moreso on the level of civic pride its own residents have for it. Pittsburgh has many more "boosters" than it does detractors. Similarly, Buffalo has many more detractors than it has boosters. Here in Scranton, the split is now roughly 50/50, which is an improvement over the Buffalo-like negativity I used to battle just a few years ago. What folks don't seem to realize is the simple adage of "you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar" applies in terms of economic revival as well. Companies and new residents will want to invest in a city that residents see on an upswing; they are generally repulsed by cities that scream "woe is me; pull the plug." Pittsburgh's recent recovery has been largely driven by its boosters ovepowering its detractors in order to scream to the world "The Steel City is back in business and ready to rock 'n roll."

Similarly, Scranton has had so many mentions in national magazines in recent years as being the setting for NBC's "The Office", "Wall Street West", "Hollywood East", etc. that more folks are now investing here. I'm fielding many more inquiries recently about the city itself, and Lackawanna County, in which Scranton is situated, has shown its first year of population growth last year after decades of decline. The more "hype" a city gets, the more likely it will be to attract new investment.

If you all want Buffalo to shine brightly again, then you must follow the lead of cities like Pittsburgh and Scranton---stop screaming your negatives to the world, and start highlighting the benefits of living in Western New York. None of us give a damn if you think life sucks in Buffalo; we're more interested in reasons why we should ponder relocating there and/or investing there. It is YOUR job to sell Buffalo to a world that has since written it off as being economically viable. I've taken this route with Scranton, and thus far I've been very successful in luring several new families to our city. How many of you can say the same about Buffalo when all you do is moan, groan, and b*tch about how much you hate living there?

I can honestly say that from an outsider's perspective, I would never want to live in Buffalo based upon what I've heard from folks there---most of which is negative. However, I'd ponder moving to Pittsburgh based upon folks there showing so much civic pride. It takes a happy person to want to show off their hometowns. Pittsburgh has that. Scranton finally now has that. Rochester has that. What is Buffalo waiting for? A swift kick in the rear-end? Want to "fix" Buffalo? Then stop criminalizing it on cyberspace. Focusing on the positive instead of the negative sends a clear message to the rest of the world that Buffalo is a city on the rebound and should be considered as a potential relocation destination for residents and businesses alike.

[aka_mouse]

Originally Posted by Genghis

It would be nice if one could focus on the positives, but sometimes reality gets in the way. People tend to say what they feel is true. If they rag on Buffalo all the time, maybe it's because there's something actually wrong with the place.

I just don't see why every single post-industrial ****hole needs to be revitalized. They built Buffalo where it was because it was a convenient city half way between the midwest and the east coast. Grain from the west goes east, industrial products from the east goes west. Through lakes and canals it goes. Then motorized trucks became popular. Then came the St Lawrence Seaway. Now Buffalo found itself in an inconvenient location, with nasty winter weather. There's no real reason to keep propping up the place, it's been in decline for half a century and there is absolutely no sign of real economic change here.

You are absolutely right. We need to transplant the entire population of the NE and the rustbelt.. what do you think it might be? 100 million people?, into all the southern cities. from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Now I know the aquifers in a lot of those places are already drying up.. but we can just truck in bottled water, its no big deal! and We don;t need to grow food around the cities either since the Central Valley in CA and also Nebraska can grow everything the US needs.


You are so ridiculous, Ghengis ... please dont leave! Are you gonna take the funny with you when you go ?

[Genghis]

Dude, it's spelled Genghis as in Genghis Khan, not "Ghengis". Sheesh. Buffalonians.

And so what if they're having a drought in the southeast, it's temporary, that part of the country gets more rain than we do on average.

I can take you with me if you want. You can do some household chores, gardening etc. But unfortunately I won't have any snow shoveling for you

Originally Posted by aka_mouse

You are absolutely right. We need to transplant the entire population of the NE and the rustbelt.. what do you think it might be? 100 million people?, into all the southern cities. from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Now I know the aquifers in a lot of those places are already drying up.. but we can just truck in bottled water, its no big deal! and We don;t need to grow food around the cities either since the Central Valley in CA and also Nebraska can grow everything the US needs.


You are so ridiculous, Ghengis ... please dont leave! Are you gonna take the funny with you when you go ?