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Old 10-27-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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I figured some of the crime is directed at tourists. For thugs, tourists = $$$$. When people value money over people, stuff like that happens.

Buffalo is the most murderous city in NY state.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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So this is a relative new/recent thing. Ironically, there's this: All-time high for tourism in Niagara Falls - The Buffalo News

I don't know of it is so much the laws versus just actually patrolling the neighborhoods, as well as forming some type of relationship with the people you are suppose to serve. So, when an issue arises, people will be more likely to actually talk to police officers. I'll go a step further and say that NF and other cities need to actually recruit within these neighborhoods or people familiar with these neighborhoods, if not just self police themselves.

Certain communities just deal with their issues from within, with the police being a latter resort. Perhaps this is where organizations/institutions in those neighborhoods come in and have to formulate a plan in terms of public safety within those neighborhoods.
Muggings in the park itself have gone up. The downtown area outside of the park has been dodgy for decades.

Getting the community to cooperate with police is easier said than done. The "snitches get stitches" attitude is prevalent in Niagara Falls, particularly in the poorer neighborhoods. The optimal solution for reducing criminal activity would be a combination of increased police presence and making it easier for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves. As the old saying goes, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:51 PM
 
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Muggings in the park itself have gone up. The downtown area outside of the park has been dodgy for decades.

Getting the community to cooperate with police is easier said than done. The "snitches get stitches" attitude is prevalent in Niagara Falls, particularly in the poorer neighborhoods. The optimal solution for reducing criminal activity would be a combination of increased police presence and making it easier for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves. As the old saying goes, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
The problem with this is that it is a generalization and most of these incidents are likely between people that know each other or are involved in a particular lifestyle. So, the law abiding citizens aspect is nice and is a right, but is largely irrelevant in these incidents. Trust me that those involved will snitch for that plea deal and somebody is telling if people are getting locked up.

People know about the inner neighborhoods suffering from disinvestment for a long time and in turn, you get the result that you get. On the other hand, doing the same thing in terms of policing isn't going to help and working with those in the community through organizations, meetings, through the schools, etc should be considered.
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Old 10-27-2016, 03:31 PM
 
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The falls on the American side is embarrassing! I have a job going on there now . The roads are horrible , the area surrounding the casino is a ghetto . The park itself is alright I guess . Been there many times , lived in WNY almost all my life. In my younger days say 20 years ago I used to goto the Canadian side all the time . LIFE, BUSINESS , ATTRACTIONS ! I haven't been to the Canadian side in years , but I'm guessing is as good or better than it was . It's pathetic. A wonder of the world and this is how our politicians let it sit .
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:45 PM
 
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The problem with this is that it is a generalization and most of these incidents are likely between people that know each other or are involved in a particular lifestyle. So, the law abiding citizens aspect is nice and is a right, but is largely irrelevant in these incidents. Trust me that those involved will snitch for that plea deal and somebody is telling if people are getting locked up.

People know about the inner neighborhoods suffering from disinvestment for a long time and in turn, you get the result that you get. On the other hand, doing the same thing in terms of policing isn't going to help and working with those in the community through organizations, meetings, through the schools, etc should be considered.
Criminals will only consider snitching as a last-resort option. In other words, when the only alternative is a lengthy prison sentence. And even then, it's no guarantee. Ordinary citizens don't step up either, as evidenced by high number of unsolved cases. The clearance rate is less than 40% for robberies and less than 25% for burglaries, larceny, motor vehicle theft, and arson - the types of cases in which the perpetrator likely doesn't know the victim personally: How Many Crimes Do Your Police 'Clear'? Now You Can Find Out : NPR

NF's overall clearance rate might be better than Buffalo's or Baltimore's, but it still leaves a lot to be desired.

As I have never lived in Niagara Falls, I can't really speak on relations between the police department and residents. I suppose the NFPD could further reach out to the community, though I am skeptical that it would do anything to reduce crime. The best bet for ordinary, law-abiding citizens in Niagara Falls would be to obtain a pistol permit and also have a 12 gauge shotgun inside their residence.
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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I don't know if it is that drastic throughout the city or if it is the next high crime small city, especially since the original article has been posted or found, as well as the previous sources being questionable.

Here is the article and it is for places with at least 30,000 people using 2015 info. Meaning, Newburgh, which has less than 30,000 people isn't eligible. So, it isn't necessarily for the most dangerous city in NY as a whole, but those with at least 30,000 people. Which is why context and knowing the criteria is important: http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/n...-rates-in.html Also, it is using the estimated population for these cities and doesn't take into account population adjustments for the tourism that Niagara Falls gets. So, if a tourist commits a violent crime say at a bar or at the casino, it gets counted against the city, even if the person isn't a resident. Other tourist based cities have a similar situation as well in terms of showing a high crime rate.

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Old 10-27-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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I don't know if it is that drastic throughout the city or if it is the next high crime small city, especially since the original article has been posted or found, as well as the previous sources being questionable.

Here is the article and it is for places with at least 30,000 people using 2015 info. Meaning, Newburgh, which has less than 30,000 people isn't eligible. So, it isn't necessarily for the most dangerous city in NY as a whole, but those with at least 30,000 people. Which is why context and knowing the criteria is important: http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/n...-rates-in.html Also, it is using the estimated population for these cities and doesn't take into account population adjustments for the tourism that Niagara Falls gets. So, if a tourist commits a violent crime say at a bar or at the casino, it gets counted against the city, even if the person isn't a resident. Other tourist based cities have a similar situation as well in terms of showing a high crime rate.
I will go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of violent crimes in Niagara Falls aren't being committed by tourists on holiday. Just a hunch. Visitors certainly don't account for enough crime to have a noticeable impact on these statistics.

Regarding the use of estimated population: For argument's sake, let's suppose that Niagara Falls' population is actually 50,000 instead of 48,989. The adjusted crime rate per 10,000 residents would be 111 instead of 113.3. Not a big difference in the grand scheme of things. Niagara Falls would drop below #2 Buffalo (111.9), but still wouldn't come close to #3 Rochester (87.6) or any of the other "major" cities in New York State. Even if we set NF's population to 55k, the violent crime rate would remain over 100.
Doing the calculations, the city would need a population of nearly 65k to drop below #3 Rochester.

Here is the official FBI report:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-6

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Old 10-28-2016, 04:34 PM
 
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I will go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of violent crimes in Niagara Falls aren't being committed by tourists on holiday. Just a hunch. Visitors certainly don't account for enough crime to have a noticeable impact on these statistics.

Regarding the use of estimated population: For argument's sake, let's suppose that Niagara Falls' population is actually 50,000 instead of 48,989. The adjusted crime rate per 10,000 residents would be 111 instead of 113.3. Not a big difference in the grand scheme of things. Niagara Falls would drop below #2 Buffalo (111.9), but still wouldn't come close to #3 Rochester (87.6) or any of the other "major" cities in New York State. Even if we set NF's population to 55k, the violent crime rate would remain over 100.
Doing the calculations, the city would need a population of nearly 65k to drop below #3 Rochester.

Here is the official FBI report:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-6
Didn't say the first part, but the point is that there are other considerations such as Niagara Falls being a tourist city playing a part. Go look at Myrtle Beach's information of another example of where being a tourist city can skew the crime rate. Same goes for towns that are retail centers in regards to property crime. Blog | Should you be worried that Myrtle Beach is ranked the 12th most dangerous U.S. city? | The Sun News
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Old 10-28-2016, 10:41 PM
 
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Didn't say the first part, but the point is that there are other considerations such as Niagara Falls being a tourist city playing a part. Go look at Myrtle Beach's information of another example of where being a tourist city can skew the crime rate. Same goes for towns that are retail centers in regards to property crime. Blog | Should you be worried that Myrtle Beach is ranked the 12th most dangerous U.S. city? | The Sun News
But Myrtle Beach does not look like Afghanistan. When I tell people I'm from Buffalo, Their like OMG, eek, yikes or yuck and make faces like it's so terrible and the worst place on the planet.
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