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Old 03-31-2017, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Buffalo/Syracuse
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I have no problem with people visiting places within the region and state. I have traveled extensively within NYS myself. But I don't go back to the same places year after year. How boring! It's the traveling equivalent to being stuck with the same woman for the rest of your life. *Yawn!*

Flying overseas is cheaper than ever. You just have to know where to look. Fly out of Toronto Pearson for international flights and you can get some real bargains. Like $296 to Sweden. Round-trip in the shoulder season. I am not making that up either. Go to Skyscanner and see for yourself.

I know someone who has lived in the City of Niagara Falls her entire life without visiting the actual falls. I thought she was joking when she told me that. This is a world-renown destination that people from all over the world come to visit and she can't be arsed to make the 10-minute drive across town. Talk about being devoid of curiosity!

I have no desire to visit Bridgeport either. I passed through once and that was enough. A dump in every sense of the word. Like a smaller version of Newark. Suffolk County is much nicer.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:54 AM
 
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ya cause you know best right? You sound like a typical new yorker.


Because I DONT LIKE BIG CITIES. I DONT LIKE EXTREMELY LIBERAL "I KOW BETTER THAN YOU" AREAS. I hate overly pretentious people and areas. I despise the over inflated opinion of self importance of typical new Yorkers. I hate that NYC is so anti legal gun ownership. I hate that it's so expensive and not car friendly. Its a complete waste and should be part of new jersey.
Its a shame you are so afraid of NYC. It is a large and wonderful place with many different types of people, and you don't have to live/drive there in order to visit.

A visit may support your thoughts and beliefs about the city, or possibly give you a different perspective that you may come to appreciate. At the very least, you can visit many beautiful sights, enjoy good food, perhaps view a stage show, or just sulk around complaining just to say that you did it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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I have no problem with people visiting places within the region and state. I have traveled extensively within NYS myself. But I don't go back to the same places year after year. How boring!
Many vacations are not for "visiting" but relaxation. Some people fish, others sail, some lie on beaches. You find a good spot, and you go back.

New places entail long drives, airport hassles, local transport costs, hotels, food, etc and will run into thousands of dollars for families.

Travel time to anywhere outside primarily the NE or Florida will also generally suck up an entire day each way.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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Its a shame you are so afraid of NYC. It is a large and wonderful place with many different types of people, and you don't have to live/drive there in order to visit.

A visit may support your thoughts and beliefs about the city, or possibly give you a different perspective that you may come to appreciate. At the very least, you can visit many beautiful sights, enjoy good food, perhaps view a stage show, or just sulk around complaining just to say that you did it.
I have 0 desire to go. Nothing could change my opinion.

Not exaggerating, I would rather visit South Dakota.

Your opinions to NYC are relative to what you like, not my preferences.

Different strokes for different folks.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Buffalo/Syracuse
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Many vacations are not for "visiting" but relaxation. Some people fish, others sail, some lie on beaches. You find a good spot, and you go back.
Nothing wrong with doing those things. But every single vacation? At the same old locations - every time without exception?

I can understand someone not wanting to take adventurous vacations every year. Sometimes you desire hassle-free, stress-free vacations. That is fine. But never traveling beyond a five-hour radius of Buffalo? Come on. That is the height of provincialism and unimaginativeness. To quote Mark Twain: "Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all of one’s lifetime."

Buffalo has a disproportionate number of such homebodies. My ex-wife is another example.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Deep in the Woods
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I have no problem with people visiting places within the region and state. I have traveled extensively within NYS myself. But I don't go back to the same places year after year. How boring! It's the traveling equivalent to being stuck with the same woman for the rest of your life. *Yawn!*

Flying overseas is cheaper than ever. You just have to know where to look. Fly out of Toronto Pearson for international flights and you can get some real bargains. Like $296 to Sweden. Round-trip in the shoulder season. I am not making that up either. Go to Skyscanner and see for yourself.

I know someone who has lived in the City of Niagara Falls her entire life without visiting the actual falls. I thought she was joking when she told me that. This is a world-renown destination that people from all over the world come to visit and she can't be arsed to make the 10-minute drive across town. Talk about being devoid of curiosity!

I have no desire to visit Bridgeport either. I passed through once and that was enough. A dump in every sense of the word. Like a smaller version of Newark. Suffolk County is much nicer.
Bridgeport is not my favorite city either, but that ferry is there not for sight seeing in Bridgeport, but to avoid having to drive through NYC to get to New England. It is a car ferry.

That aside, some people are ok being "stuck with the same woman" and some people are ok staying in the same area. I don't necessarily understand it myself, but its not for me to decide or even care about. If Buffalo is more of a "hometown" area, that's fine. Many people including myself like areas like that, and prefer that to more transient places.

As for travel, I know plenty of people in Philly and the outer boroughs of NYC that never leave their neighborhood. Its not just a Buffalo thing. And TONS of North Jersey people who know absolutely nothing about South Jersey, almost like its a foreign land. And this is one small state.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:51 PM
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I agree with the OP.

Grew up in WNY. I think that Florida is so big for travel, because of the discount airlines, and lots of older family goes down there to live, and kids go down for vacation. It is a great place to thaw out during a long winter.

I know many people in their 20's and 30's born in WNY who have NEVER been on an airplane, and have no desire to go anywhere. I believe many of them rarely go outside the state line by car. This phenomenon is not one isolated to WNY, I'm sure there are tons of small towns with lower/middle income earners where few travel as well.

When I was a kid, we were middle class, and aside to visit family in Ohio, we never went out of state ONE time.

We would take some nice day trips to the finger lakes, or olcott beach, or Canada but not much beyond that. My parents have never had a passport, never been outside the country (not including Canada), and the only time they fly is to come down to Texas to visit me. They would not fly anywhere if I didn't live in Texas.

I think the bottom line is my folks had little money, and what they did have was invested in sending us to Catholic grade school, etc.

Also with the internet age, and handheld GPS, people can research travel 100 percent before they go anywhere. When we would drive to Ohio, my dad would have to get a trip-tik from AAA, and he would get lost at least twice on the 5 hour drive.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:30 PM
 
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Bridgeport is not my favorite city either, but that ferry is there not for sight seeing in Bridgeport, but to avoid having to drive through NYC to get to New England. It is a car ferry.

That aside, some people are ok being "stuck with the same woman" and some people are ok staying in the same area. I don't necessarily understand it myself, but its not for me to decide or even care about. If Buffalo is more of a "hometown" area, that's fine. Many people including myself like areas like that, and prefer that to more transient places.

As for travel, I know plenty of people in Philly and the outer boroughs of NYC that never leave their neighborhood. Its not just a Buffalo thing. And TONS of North Jersey people who know absolutely nothing about South Jersey, almost like its a foreign land. And this is one small state.
I agree with your last part, as I think people would be surprised by how many people stay in their neighborhood or don't know much about other parts of town in their own city/area, let alone going somewhere else.

While I'm not from the Buffalo area, it was common for my family to go "Down South" at least once a year for multiple years. It doesn't hurt when your family is originally from that part of the country as well.

Then to make this more complex, you may have people that do leave the area, but may know little about things in their own area. Some people may look outward and not take advantage of all of the things nearby and that may even be of interest to them. So, even that can flipped around.
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Old 04-02-2017, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Buffalo/Syracuse
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Interesting story JH6. See, it's not just my peers that aren't well-traveled.

Is this exclusively a WNY phenomenon? Perhaps not. But it seems more prevalent here than in other parts of the USA and western world.

One anecdote from CNY where I grew up. One girl I dated had never been to NYC before I took her there. She was in her 20s and never made the five-hour drive. Her family would have no problems fitting in Buffalo! To her credit, she was more willing to break out of her comfort zone than some people that I know.
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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I agree with your last part, as I think people would be surprised by how many people stay in their neighborhood or don't know much about other parts of town in their own city/area, let alone going somewhere else.
My Sister In Law in Philadelphia never flew, didn't drive, and lived on the same block as her mother her whole life. As far as I know the only travel she ever did was to Buffalo, Wildwood, and Atlantic City. I have relatives born in Florida and Virginia who also don't travel much outside of their home towns.

In my experience, the reason many people in Buffalo (and everywhere really) travel little is mainly a result of limited finances and time away from work/school. I know that may be difficult for many people to understand who grew up traveling, or who are fortunate enough to have the capability to do it, but it is a matter of priorities. In my case growing up, all travel outside WNY involved visiting relatives within driving distance, where we stayed with the relatives and visited their local sights.

On the other hand, I know many people in Texas who have never left the state, and do not understand why anyone would ever want to ("everything is already here") and on top of that refuse to go to Houston ("thats not the 'real' Texas") - even though they have the time and money to do it. The most they would do is perhaps going to a Colorado ski resort or Mexican beach resort - which IMO is a class/cultural thing (like having a cottage or trailer on Lake Erie for WNYers).
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