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Old 03-03-2019, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Flahrida
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Regions can go that far and the Golden Horseshoe is a real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horseshoe

So, that isn’t misleading when 21% of your country lives essentially within close proximity to the western shore of Lake Ontario
Yes it is misleading and deceiving. You said "Canadian side is in that country’s most affluent region". Its on one end of the "horseshoe" and the affluent area is on the other end, 80 miles away.
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Old 03-03-2019, 06:55 PM
 
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Yes it is misleading and deceiving. You said "Canadian side is in that country’s most affluent region". Its on one end of the "horseshoe" and the affluent area is on the other end, 80 miles away.
No...They are all a part of that region that I mentioned. So, no it isn't and 80 miles is maybe an hours and a half drive, tops. Meaning, even if the GTA was separated from Niagara Falls in that context, it is literally a shorter drive than someone going from Buffalo to Syracuse. That's roughly a trip from say Amherst to Jamestown.
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Old 03-03-2019, 07:23 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Wow, that’s rough. I was sort of hoping there was some long term decommission and cap plan maybe with a nice park. NYC did that with Staten Island’s massive landfall, but that took a very, very long while.
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Old 03-04-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Flahrida
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No...They are all a part of that region that I mentioned. So, no it isn't and 80 miles is maybe an hours and a half drive, tops. Meaning, even if the GTA was separated from Niagara Falls in that context, it is literally a shorter drive than someone going from Buffalo to Syracuse. That's roughly a trip from say Amherst to Jamestown.
How many times have you taken that drive? Try maybe 2-3 hours depending on the traffic. My point is that your post is deceptive because Niagara Falls Ontario is not an affluent area and implying its so because its part of the arbitrary "Golden Horseshoe" gives people the wrong impression. GTA and Niagara Falls are as different as day and night.

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Old 03-04-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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How many times have you taken that drive? Try maybe 2-3 hours depending on the traffic. My point is that your post is deceptive because Niagara Falls Ontario is not an affluent area and implying its so because its part of the arbitrary "Golden Horseshoe" gives people the wrong impression. GTA and Niagara Falls are as different as day and night.
Tell that to these guys then: Context of the Greater Golden Horseshoe | Neptis Foundation

http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/AssetFactory.aspx?did=10852

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...sing-1.4979284

https://business.financialpost.com/r...horseshoe-area

https://www.reminetwork.com/articles...e-growth-plan/

As mentioned, it is a larger region that comprises much of Canada's wealth and even population that extends from Oshawa to Niagara Falls.
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Old 03-04-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Flahrida
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The purpose of this forum is to give people from outside the area insights and help when they visit an area. Stating that Niagara Falls Ontario is an upscale area is simply untrue. Much of Canada's wealth is located in the GTA. Lumping it into the arbitrary "Golden Horseshoe" and claiming its an upscale area is misleading when only a small fraction of the area around the Toronto area is "Upscale".
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Old 03-05-2019, 01:18 PM
 
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The purpose of this forum is to give people from outside the area insights and help when they visit an area. Stating that Niagara Falls Ontario is an upscale area is simply untrue. Much of Canada's wealth is located in the GTA. Lumping it into the arbitrary "Golden Horseshoe" and claiming its an upscale area is misleading when only a small fraction of the area around the Toronto area is "Upscale".
That's not what I said. I said that it is in the most affluent region in Canada. That is different and again, the Golden Horseshoe is a real thing in Ontario and in Canada. In fact, the first time I heard that term was at the end of a Sabres/Maple Leafs game in 1987 or so on Hockey Night in Canada on CBC. I remember that, because it was during the presentation of the 3 Stars at the end of the game and I remember that Mike Foligno was one of them. So, it isn't some arbitrary region or made up.
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Old 03-05-2019, 07:31 PM
 
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The phrase "Golden Horseshoe" was first used by Westinghouse Electric Corporation president Herbert H. Rogge in a speech to the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce on January 12, 1954:

"Hamilton in 50 years will be the forward cleat in a 'golden horseshoe' of industrial development from Oshawa to the Niagara River ... 150 miles [240 km] long and 50 miles [80 km] wide ... It will run from Niagara Falls on the south to about Oshawa on the north and take in numerous cities and towns already there, including Hamilton and Toronto"

The area is now called the GGH (Greater Golden Horseshoe):

The Golden Horseshoe has been recognised as a geographic region since the 1950s, but it was only on July 13, 2004 that a report from the provincial Ministry of Public Infrastructure Renewal entitled Places to Grow coined the term Greater Golden Horseshoe, extending the boundaries west to Waterloo Region, north to Barrie/Simcoe County, and northeast to the county and city of Peterborough. A subsequent edition released February 16, 2005, broadened the term further, adding Brant, Haldimand and Northumberland Counties to the now quasi-administrative region. The Greater Golden Horseshoe region is officially designated in Ontario Regulation 416/05 under the Places to Grow Act. The designation Greater Golden Horseshoe has legal significance with respect to taxation: In April 2017, the Government of Ontario announced plans to impose a 15 per cent Non-Resident Speculation Tax (NRST) on non-Canadian citizens, non-permanent residents and non-Canadian corporations (with exceptions or rebates for refugees, qualifying students and certain people working in Ontario) buying residential properties containing one to six units in the Greater Golden Horseshoe (GGH).

The provincial transit authority Metrolinx makes use of the term Greater Golden Horseshoe. The Metrolinx definition is consistent with the original 2004 Places to Grow definition. However, the city and county of Peterborough is not included
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Old 03-06-2019, 06:13 AM
 
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The phrase "Golden Horseshoe" was first used by Westinghouse Electric Corporation president Herbert H. Rogge in a speech to the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce on January 12, 1954:

"Hamilton in 50 years will be the forward cleat in a 'golden horseshoe' of industrial development from Oshawa to the Niagara River ... 150 miles [240 km] long and 50 miles [80 km] wide ... It will run from Niagara Falls on the south to about Oshawa on the north and take in numerous cities and towns already there, including Hamilton and Toronto"

The area is now called the GGH (Greater Golden Horseshoe):

The Golden Horseshoe has been recognised as a geographic region since the 1950s, but it was only on July 13, 2004 that a report from the provincial Ministry of Public Infrastructure Renewal entitled Places to Grow coined the term Greater Golden Horseshoe, extending the boundaries west to Waterloo Region, north to Barrie/Simcoe County, and northeast to the county and city of Peterborough. A subsequent edition released February 16, 2005, broadened the term further, adding Brant, Haldimand and Northumberland Counties to the now quasi-administrative region. The Greater Golden Horseshoe region is officially designated in Ontario Regulation 416/05 under the Places to Grow Act. The designation Greater Golden Horseshoe has legal significance with respect to taxation: In April 2017, the Government of Ontario announced plans to impose a 15 per cent Non-Resident Speculation Tax (NRST) on non-Canadian citizens, non-permanent residents and non-Canadian corporations (with exceptions or rebates for refugees, qualifying students and certain people working in Ontario) buying residential properties containing one to six units in the Greater Golden Horseshoe (GGH).

The provincial transit authority Metrolinx makes use of the term Greater Golden Horseshoe. The Metrolinx definition is consistent with the original 2004 Places to Grow definition. However, the city and county of Peterborough is not included
Good information and now if the US side of the Niagara River can tap into that area a little bit more in terms of economic relations somehow, it would be great.
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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Good information and now if the US side of the Niagara River can tap into that area a little bit more in terms of economic relations somehow, it would be great.

I remember, although I can't remember exactly when a few years back, Buffalo was toting the Golden Horseshoe region, but they included themselves and it stretched past Rochester.
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