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Old 01-28-2019, 08:04 PM
 
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A majority of Western New York's largest employers continue to grow, posting year-over-year employment gains entering 2019.

Of the 25 companies on Business First's largest employers list, 16 reported having more employees this year than last. The list was led once again by the state and federal governments, with taxpayers also footing the payroll expenses at entrant No. 5 (Buffalo City School District), No. 8 (Erie County), No. 14 (Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station), No. 19 (City of Buffalo), No. 21 (Williamsville Central School District) and No. 24 (VA Western New York Healthcare System).

Two of the three private companies in the top five work in health care, with Kaleida Health and Catholic Health bookending the region's top bank, M&T Bank.


The state and federal governments employ people in all eight counties of the region, the bulk of which work in Erie County. Excluding them, the top employer by county is, according to information submitted by companies to Business First:

Erie County, Kaleida Health

Niagara County, Seneca Gaming Corp.

Chautauqua County, Cummins Inc.

Cattaraugus County, Dresser-Rand Co.

Allegany County, Alfred University

Orleans County, Orleans-Niagara BOCES

Wyoming County, Wyoming County Community Health System

Genesee County, Genesee County government

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/..._news_headline
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:42 PM
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Its not hard to find positive examples when you clean data from 8 counties plus cities.....
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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Its not hard to find positive examples when you clean data from 8 counties plus cities.....
Well, to be fair, it is for a region versus the standard metro. The latter tends to be relatively small in comparison to similar areas in other parts of the country as well. So, it looks like they included all of the counties adjacent to the metro/combined statistical area as well(the metro is just Erie and Niagara County, with Cattaraugus being included in the Buffalo CSA). Not arguing, but just offering a potential reason behind the regional coverage.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:51 PM
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I understand its the region vs a city but pulling that large an area your bound to find positive examples but even with that most are government agencies. Not arguing just not agreeing with the pubs criteria..
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Old 01-31-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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I understand its the region vs a city but pulling that large an area your bound to find positive examples but even with that most are government agencies. Not arguing just not agreeing with the pubs criteria..
That's fair... Just to put this into perspective though, the metro you live in doesn't have that many more people than the Buffalo metro area, but in terms of land area, the region used in the article is actually not much bigger than the Richmond metro area in that regard(by 754.93 square miles(6439.89 vs. 5684.96), initially forgot Allegany County).

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Old 01-31-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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Well, to be fair, it is for a region versus the standard metro. The latter tends to be relatively small in comparison to similar areas in other parts of the country as well. So, it looks like they included all of the counties adjacent to the metro/combined statistical area as well(the metro is just Erie and Niagara County, with Cattaraugus being included in the Buffalo CSA). Not arguing, but just offering a potential reason behind the regional coverage.


I don't understand lumping places as far away as Alfred with Buffalo. I would think those southern counties would be considered "southern tier", not western NY. Jamestown is a metro itself.
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:14 PM
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That's fair... Just to put this into perspective though, the metro you live in doesn't have that many more people than the Buffalo metro area, but in terms of land area, the region used in the article is actually not much bigger than the Richmond metro area in that regard(by 754.93 square miles(6439.89 vs. 5684.96), initially forgot Allegany County).
Perhaps but as you know I rarely cast such a wide net to support a point, I prefer to limit it the city or county limit.

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Old 01-31-2019, 04:22 PM
 
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I don't understand lumping places as far away as Alfred with Buffalo. I would think those southern counties would be considered "southern tier", not western NY. Jamestown is a metro itself.
I actually agree or they should have included the whole region, including the Rochester area, if they are going to say Western NY. The red on this map, give or take a county or 2, would make more sense on a regional level: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_New_York There are counties that overlap as well.

To VA Yankee, I hear you. My only issue with using city is that criteria varies so much by state due to annexation and they generally make up only so much of a metro area, that it makes it tough to compare. I can get with county, metro area, urban area and even combined statistical area, as the criteria is the same. It isn’t perfect, but at least everyone is “playing by the same rules” on those levels.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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A majority of Western New York's largest employers continue to grow, posting year-over-year employment gains entering 2019.

Of the 25 companies on Business First's largest employers list, 16 reported having more employees this year than last. The list was led once again by the state and federal governments, with taxpayers also footing the payroll expenses at entrant No. 5 (Buffalo City School District), No. 8 (Erie County), No. 14 (Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station), No. 19 (City of Buffalo), No. 21 (Williamsville Central School District) and No. 24 (VA Western New York Healthcare System).

Two of the three private companies in the top five work in health care, with Kaleida Health and Catholic Health bookending the region's top bank, M&T Bank.


The state and federal governments employ people in all eight counties of the region, the bulk of which work in Erie County. Excluding them, the top employer by county is, according to information submitted by companies to Business First:

Erie County, Kaleida Health

Niagara County, Seneca Gaming Corp.

Chautauqua County, Cummins Inc.

Cattaraugus County, Dresser-Rand Co.

Allegany County, Alfred University

Orleans County, Orleans-Niagara BOCES

Wyoming County, Wyoming County Community Health System

Genesee County, Genesee County government

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/..._news_headline
The Dresser Rand plant is closing by 2020 , the rest are mostly government jobs, hospitals, Indian tribe Casino
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:41 PM
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To VA Yankee, I hear you. My only issue with using city is that criteria varies so much by state due to annexation and they generally make up only so much of a metro area, that it makes it tough to compare. I can get with county, metro area, urban area and even combined statistical area, as the criteria is the same. It isn’t perfect, but at least everyone is “playing by the same rules” on those levels.
You overplay annexation, if I quote a city of 250k residents to compare to a city of the same size or county to county that is far easier to compare then an MSA, CSA etc which run the gamut on what they may or may not include, they are far harder to compare between locations. I don't see where there is any "level playing field" when you are pulling a 1/4 of the upstate area to glean positive numbers for an article.
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