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Old 12-25-2019, 08:12 PM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Some take Routes 104, 5, 20, 31, etc., depending on where they are going/coming from.
>90% of the time I'm heading to Batavia or Rochester, I take Rte. 33. Free, sparsely used, and considerably more scenic than the monotonous I-90. When heading to Rochester, I stick with 33A around the western border of Monroe Cty when it diverges from 33. I recall once telling a Rochester friend about this driving preference of mine and being looked at like I was crazy--I'm fine with that sort of reaction, as it keeps the road all but empty.
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Old 12-25-2019, 08:21 PM
 
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In the case of the NYS Thruway, the answer is simple.

When the thruway was constructed, the state floated a bond to pay for that construction. The bonds were issued on the promise that the tolls would pay for the bond. Once the bond was paid off, the tolls would be eliminated. The tolls were never intended to fund maintenance.

All bonds were finally paid off in 1996. Thus, the _construction_ of the Thruway was paid off then.

As is the case in New York, the legislature saw the end of this cash cow coming and knew they had to act. In 1992, they transferred ownership of the NYS Canal system to the Thruway Authority. Somehow, that justified breaking the original promise to abolish the tolls. Not only did they break the original promise, but they regularly propose and vote for rate increases.

The rigged political game has no regard for the people. How many voters contact their representative in _favor_ of the rate increases? I'm willing to bet the cry is close to 100% against... yet they always seem to go through.

Technically, the Thruway tolls pay for the Canal System, as without that it would be a toll-free road.
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Old 12-26-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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In my opinion the lack of reciprocity on the interstate use of EZ pass is a state tariff in violation of the intent of the United States Constitution. I have a New York MTA EZ pass, which will not allow me the off-peak discount on the NJ Turnpike. Likewise, someone holding a New Jersey EZ pass gets whacked for the 55% higher toll on the Whitestone Bridge between two boroughs of the City of New York, $9.50 vs. $6.12. Up and down the eastern seaboard the lack of reciprocity results in enormous gouging of the out-of-state driver. We need constitutional lawyers to protest this violation before the Supreme Court. Tariff barriers between states were a problem before 1787, and now the barriers have returned in grotesque form.
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Old 12-26-2019, 03:07 PM
 
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>90% of the time I'm heading to Batavia or Rochester, I take Rte. 33. Free, sparsely used, and considerably more scenic than the monotonous I-90. When heading to Rochester, I stick with 33A around the western border of Monroe Cty when it diverges from 33. I recall once telling a Rochester friend about this driving preference of mine and being looked at like I was crazy--I'm fine with that sort of reaction, as it keeps the road all but empty.
Yes, as some people may not realize that depending on where you are going in the "I-90" corridor, you can still use other routes nearby to get from point A to point B. For instance, if you want to go from say Syracuse to Rochester, you could just as easily take I-690 to Route 370 to Route 104 West. If you live somewhere like say Baldwinsville or Webster, it may actually be preferred to go that way in order to get to either area.
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:18 PM
 
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Yes, as some people may not realize that depending on where you are going in the "I-90" corridor, you can still use other routes nearby to get from point A to point B. For instance, if you want to go from say Syracuse to Rochester, you could just as easily take I-690 to Route 370 to Route 104 West. If you live somewhere like say Baldwinsville or Webster, it may actually be preferred to go that way in order to get to either area.
Good to know; going to have to try this one out sometime. I once took 5 all the way home from Turning Stone, but never knew the above route. Not a GPS owner and not the map reader I used to be as a kid, lol.
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Old 12-26-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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Yes, as some people may not realize that depending on where you are going in the "I-90" corridor, you can still use other routes nearby to get from point A to point B. For instance, if you want to go from say Syracuse to Rochester, you could just as easily take I-690 to Route 370 to Route 104 West. If you live somewhere like say Baldwinsville or Webster, it may actually be preferred to go that way in order to get to either area.

I think that the 3 major cities upstate should work more in unison. There are already the aforementioned routes connecting Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse. Part of rt 31 has become rt531. That seems to be the most promising route. That would also connect all the canal towns in Niagara, Orleans and Wayne County at the same time.
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Old 12-26-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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I think that the 3 major cities upstate should work more in unison. There are already the aforementioned routes connecting Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse. Part of rt 31 has become rt531. That seems to be the most promising route. That would also connect all the canal towns in Niagara, Orleans and Wayne County at the same time.
Those are sparsely populated counties though. There was a poster on here who used to call for the connection of like the 990 to 104 to 531 to Lake Ontario State Parkway or something (I'm saying this knowing I'm way off of the specifics--'droc31' I believe his name was would have to remind us of the exact plan--I'm personally not at all familiar with 31/531...perhaps in another IPA I'll look it up. I will say that LOSP had the worst-maintained road I've ever seen, to combat the notion mentioned upthread that it was...anything other than LOSP. Seemed like a road ripe for abandonment, much like the 'Niagara Scenic Parkway'/former Robert Moses parkway here in WNY (apologies if by saying 'here in WNY' I'm implying that Rochester isn't WNY, but in my conception of WNY, it kind of isn't))
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Old 12-26-2019, 08:50 PM
 
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Those are sparsely populated counties though. There was a poster on here who used to call for the connection of like the 990 to 104 to 531 to Lake Ontario State Parkway or something (I'm saying this knowing I'm way off of the specifics--'droc31' I believe his name was would have to remind us of the exact plan--I'm personally not at all familiar with 31/531...perhaps in another IPA I'll look it up. I will say that LOSP had the worst-maintained road I've ever seen, to combat the notion mentioned upthread that it was...anything other than LOSP. Seemed like a road ripe for abandonment, much like the 'Niagara Scenic Parkway'/former Robert Moses parkway here in WNY (apologies if by saying 'here in WNY' I'm implying that Rochester isn't WNY, but in my conception of WNY, it kind of isn't))

If they ever did anything like this, 990 could be connected to 531 near Lockport. A good thing, as I see it
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Old 12-26-2019, 10:07 PM
 
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If they ever did anything like this, 990 could be connected to 531 near Lockport. A good thing, as I see it
somewhere between 0 and .000001% chance of ever happening, though. Believe me, if upstate NY ever showed signs of 'rising', I'd be a huge fan of this sort of fantastical thinking. But realistically, it's not going to happen, unless and until global warming renders much of the rest of the country uninhabitable or seemingly so. I don't know about you over there in Greece, but I wake up every day in an inner-ring 'burb of Buffalo and stare down the barrel of a metro that in my opinion is still in slow decline.
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Old 12-27-2019, 06:46 AM
 
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Good to know; going to have to try this one out sometime. I once took 5 all the way home from Turning Stone, but never knew the above route. Not a GPS owner and not the map reader I used to be as a kid, lol.
I took it from Rochester International Airport first going across the city of Rochester, then catching 104 in Irondequoit and taking that all the way to around Wolcott/Red Creek. That is where you catch 370, which you take to I-690 around Baldwinsville and into or even past Syracuse to I-481. From I-481, you can get off at the Route 298 exit, which you can take to Bridgeport to Route 31 east to Turning Stone(that’s if you don’t want to just go to Point Place Casino, which is just into Madison County off of Route 31). Turning Stone is actually right off of Route 31 and say you want to go to Sylvan Beach instead, you just take Route 13 north where it intersects with Route 31. You can also continue on to Rome, Utica or into the Mohawk Valley communities in Herkimer County via Route 365 to Route 49 to Utica or to go further east, go Route 12 south to Route 5S. All of these roads are either less traveled and/or are 4 lane roads where you can go 65 or so.

I did a similar drive from Syracuse to Schenectady without taking the Thruway and it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be.
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