Is Buffalo back? (New York, Amherst, Hamburg: homes, neighborhoods, school districts)

[jblake78728]

Originally Posted by Canerican

Our education system only graduates about 60% of students, which ranks in the bottom quarter (lower than NC, TX, AR, WV, VA, AL, KY, or LA -- amongst many more).

I love how you conveniently leave out that its 85% & ^ for the majority of the suburban Buffalo schools (at a higher academic standard than most of the schools in the states you've mentioned). You also fail to mention how NY is light years ahead of any of the states you mentioned in terms of AP courses offered/taken as well as providing students with the materials needed for future educational success. You can throw manipulated graduation rates around all you like but its been proven time & again that NY state offers one of the best public school systems in the US.

[jblake78728]

Originally Posted by Sumermarie

So basically, this entire time Canerican has been basing his thoughts and facts on Buffalo proper and not the surrounding areas which is where most people in the area live? Oh geez, look at any major metropolitan city and the numbers will be the same or slightly higher or lower.

Come back to us with an argument that includes the surrounding areas, which is what most of us have been arguing with since the beginning and then we will talk. Until then, this comparison is apples and oranges.

Exactly. He loves to throw out Buffalo city specific facts to run down all of WNY.

[coppersink63]

Originally Posted by Canerican

It's called the supply curve. You see we have housing for 500,000 in Buffalo (the population in 1950 all lived somewhere right). We only have 270,000 right now, and falling. Obviously we will find an equilibrium price somewhere, but as more people move away, we get even more oversupplied, therefore price must keep on decreasing.

I was speaking more of preserving house prices at their peak value (the population must double for that). But as more and more people realize WNY isn't for them, they sell their home creating an even greater surplus, therefore price must continue to drop.



Actually the average is $108,000. But that is lower than average. Our education system only graduates about 60% of students, which ranks in the bottom quarter (lower than NC, TX, AR, WV, VA, AL, KY, or LA -- amongst many more). Crime rates in Buffalo are amongst the highest in the country (for larger cities). The average in the country is 320/100,000, Buffalo's crime rate is 699/100,000

http://www.city-data.com/city/Buffalo-New-York.html (scroll about a third of the way down for Buffalo's crime data.)

Kiplinger.com

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2009/pdf/19_2009.pdf



I agree, and as quickly as they consider Buffalo, they should laugh at themselves, say, "oh wow!" and start thinking rationally again.

Prices decreasing in Buffalo!? Oh no!!! Buyers beware! Cheap homes in good education zones with one of the better unemployment ratings in the country. Im sorry I cant play the chicken little card here.

Also, yea the average might be slightly above 100k but there are still homes available under 100k like I said.

As per crime rates, if you decide to live in the city, sure the crime rates are higher just like every other city. If you look in the suburbs and surrounding areas where people actually live then you are looking at some of the safest places in the country.

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"Williamsville, NY, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 10, is 1. Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 3.

Williamsville, NY, property crime, on a scale from 1 (low) to 10, is 1. Property crime includes the offenses of burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson. The object of the theft-type offenses is the taking of money or property, but there is no force or threat of force against the victims. The US average is 3."

And take a look at education

"Williamsville public schools spend $8,453 per student. The average school expenditure in the U.S. is $6,058. There are about 15 students per teacher in Williamsville. "

http://www.publicschoolreview.com/sc...chool_id/58505

Williamsville School District Graduation Percentage : 97%
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Bottom line, stop cherry picking statistics.

[coppersink63]

Originally Posted by jblake78728

Exactly. He loves to throw out Buffalo city specific facts to run down all of WNY.

I looked up the actual statistics of the surrounding area for him, lets see if he responds to them or continues to ignore the facts.

[donbuy]

List of safest places in America - where is that #1 safest community of more than 100,000 people located. Where is that safe haven Amherst NY.

America's Safest Places-Rank Order

Or a more current listing that includes cities under 100,000 as well and puts Amherst at number 2

http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

[Canerican]

Not that it's bad, but Amherst went from 3 to 7 last year.

Morgan Quitno - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Exactly. He loves to throw out Buffalo city specific facts to run down all of WNY.

Yes, how dare I throw around real statistics about the main city in the area. Atlanta is dangerous, but Rosewell is very safe, therefore Atlanta is. (Ipso facto post hoc, huh?)

[Canerican]

Originally Posted by donbuy

If that's best he's got stick a fork in him - the kid is done.

Great post...

Uhh unlike you whenever the facts back something up I stick with them and not just make up statistics to suit my needs.

Yes, Amherst is a very safe place. There are plenty of reasons I want out, but that isn't one.

[Sumermarie]

Originally Posted by Canerican

Not that it's bad, but Amherst went from 3 to 7 last year.

Morgan Quitno - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Yes, how dare I throw around real statistics about the main city in the area. Atlanta is dangerous, but Rosewell is very safe, therefore Atlanta is. (Ipso facto post hoc, huh?)

Yes because when I look to back my claims up Wikipedia is the place I go for that.

Originally Posted by Canerican

Great post...

Uhh unlike you whenever the facts back something up I stick with them and not just make up statistics to suit my needs.

Yes, Amherst is a very safe place. There are plenty of reasons I want out, but that isn't one.

He has and does back up his facts, zeroing in on one post he made where he didn't doesn't mean all the facts he did present to you disappear. Just like you ignored coppersink's post above.

I'm still waiting for you to provide me with the statistical data for the Buffalo metro area.......

[coppersink63]

Originally Posted by Canerican

Great post...

Uhh unlike you whenever the facts back something up I stick with them and not just make up statistics to suit my needs.

Yes, Amherst is a very safe place. There are plenty of reasons I want out, but that isn't one.

Except, you didnt respond to any of my posts in this thread or others when I showed you the facts. The suburbs of WNY are some of the best places in America to live. I think if you are sourcing the urban area only and blanketing the entire WNY area with that data then you either dont know how to research a city or there is something deeper going on with your hate for Buffalo. Did you get mugged or something?

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by jblake78728

I love how you conveniently leave out that its 85% & ^ for the majority of the suburban Buffalo schools (at a higher academic standard than most of the schools in the states you've mentioned). You also fail to mention how NY is light years ahead of any of the states you mentioned in terms of AP courses offered/taken as well as providing students with the materials needed for future educational success. You can throw manipulated graduation rates around all you like but its been proven time & again that NY state offers one of the best public school systems in the US.

Even the 60% grad. rate is off for NY: Student Teacher Ratio Amherst Central High School - Amherst, New York - NY (just scroll down to see and this number does include some IEP's. The next one doesn't)

https://www.nystart.gov/publicweb/St...s.do?year=2008 (Just click on the blue line in the first column and go to page 13)

Also, he seems to forget about good Buffalo city HS's like City Honors, Hutch tech, DiVinci, Emerson and even decent ones with grad. percentages in the high 70's like Arts and McKinley Vocational.