Buffalo - one of the nation's fastest dying Cities. (by Forbes) (Orchard Park: best city, real estate)

[iloveupstateny]

It's not as though I am ragging on Buffalo because I dont like it. The sad reality is that I love Buffalo, or atleast I wanted to love it, but realized it was just too hard to love, so I had to cut it lose. I want to believe Buffalo can rebound, but judging from the past few decades along with just plain logic says otherwise. It is sad because Buffalo was once a thriving city which at one time was projected to be twice the population that it is today, but like that prediction, Buffalo never quite lived up to it. We will secretly always look up at Cleveland and Pittsburgh and think to ourselves--we were supposed to be like that, but somehow we just fell short and the sad thing is no one knows why..And I dont know why.[/quote]

right, right, right on. so right on.

[VegasRocks]

Nothing is as bad as Buffalo and has all the problems that Buffalo and WNY has. Where every you go is better from the Carolina's to Arizona
From Seattle to Florida and everywhere else in between.

There is no plan to fix any of the problems in WNY. There whole
entire plan is a Bass Pro Store which the taxpayers will give them
over 60 million dollars. But almost 8 years later Bass Pro has still
signed NOTHING ! and even if they did come, what is that going to do ?
but make mostly part time mimium wage jobs.

[Buffalonian4life]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1

Hey Buffalonian4life. I am glad too see that you can understand my frustration for Buffalo and that I am not just ragging on it. I love Buffalo and will always love Buffalo. I think the reason why people like us love Buffalo is because we appreciate all of the history and the potential we see, even if others don't. (especially the politicians.)I have since moved away. There came a point to where I had to wake up and see that my perception of Buffalo and the reality of Buffalo are two different things. I must admit that it was very hard for me to leave, but for the sake of living out my lifes vision and having the types of things in life that come from financial independence, I had too. I like your enthusiasm towards the canal project and such, but I still dont think it will really change much. It is not to say that things cannot impact positive change, they can, it is merely because I know that the crooked politicians are not in it for our interest only their own. Besides that, and to change the subject a bit I dont want to see the skyway go. I used to drive that alot to go into Lackawanna, and I love the view from up there. Also, I am not trying to argue with you but I still have not seen anywhere where they talk about 40,000 new homes. You have to understand the magnitude of 40,000 new homes. You have to see that for each home houses about 2.5 people. That would be a population increase of about eighty to a hundred thousand people, and just by sight alone there is no way they could put that many people down there. That's in all actuallity about the size of Albany. You would need about 14 square miles, which Buffalo is only 40. To get a better understanding of 40,000 new homes, that would be about all of the houses in both Jamestown and Elmira combined. Anyway, I would just check those statistics once more. Again, I am not trying to argue with you, just trying to correct you. And as far as why Buffalo is dieing, probably because it needs people with vision and passion and a can do attitude such as ourselves for once, instead of the same old laissey-faire attitude to which we are so accustomed to in the last thirty years from crooked self interest Buffalo politicians. Then and only then could we for once do the things needed to revitalize this city and make it marketable and desirable for people to want to move here. Lets face it, if everyone liked severe heat, we would all be in the south, but some of us actually like seasons. Anyway, I like your enthusiasm for Buffalo and dont let me or anyone else destroy it. I unfortunately am at an age where I did not have time to wait for Buffalo to get its act together. I hope your not and in the future will see great change.

Thank you for this post, but, I'm really basing my statistics of the article I read on Buffalorising.com. One of the phases of the Canal Side development is to expand to the Outer Harbor - in which would provide new neiborhoods for Buffalo. They said as many as 40,000 new homes could be developed on the outer harbor. And, yes it would house about 100,000 people, in fact they stated it could reach 120,000 residents. (average 3 or 4 a home) If you do not believe me, please, Check this link and listen to what they have to say in the Podcast. You can click the play button above the download the audio words - right below the first pictures of the project. At about 11:40min to 12:25 into the audio you will hear where I got my statistics from Lary Quinn. Also, if you have time, you should listen to the entire audio. It's very interesting and worth the time to listen to. Especially considering the fact that we have already completed many of the phases of the plan and we are currently now tearing down the Aud and Donavan Building and will start construction on the masive pan by next year. As small as this project seems to you, it really will change the image of Buffalo, especially since the Lower part of Main Street will now be the Shopping Retail Center of the WNY region. There is so much to say, and this is one project. Sure, this will not make up for the corrupt polotitians and mindest and abandoned homes and poverty/crime of the city, but this is MOST DEFINATELY a great start toward a better future building on our Fresh Water resource which few others have. It was nice talking to you, SlickRick1, and I aprreciate your feedback. And I assure you I always base my statistics on true facts as best as possible, so please, I encourage you to listen to this audio and listen intently to the time frame I encouraged you to listen to - to listen about the 40,000 new homes plan.

http://www.buffalorising.com/story/p...alside_project




Look at this picture ^ can't you see the plans for part of the 40,000 new homes? It's all on the Outer Harbor with a beautiful cobblestone bridge to Main Street.





^This is the Outer Harbor of Buffalo. The plan is to make all this prime waterfront land into many new neighborhoods for Buffalo, which could include 40,000 new homes.



And, if you misted it...Again:

http://www.buffalorising.com/story/p...alside_project

[londonbarcelona]

Originally Posted by VegasRocks

Nothing is as bad as Buffalo and has all the problems that Buffalo and WNY has. Where every you go is better from the Carolina's to Arizona
From Seattle to Florida and everywhere else in between.

There is no plan to fix any of the problems in WNY. There whole
entire plan is a Bass Pro Store which the taxpayers will give them
over 60 million dollars. But almost 8 years later Bass Pro has still
signed NOTHING ! and even if they did come, what is that going to do ?
but make mostly part time mimium wage jobs.

60 million for a Pro Bass Shop? WHY????

It seems to me that it would make better sense to take that 60 million and invest in a biotech or new energy producing company. Why not offer tax credits for large corporations to bring in an established company and along with it people to pay our already outrageous land taxes when they buy a home? And the city would benefit from the money those said employees would spend for general living expenses.

How about 60 million to tear down the slum homes and clean up the city, thereby pushing out the trash (of all colors) and allowing for a clean slate to be build upon?

How about investing 60 million on the inner city school districts as incentives to pay for quality teachers? If the school systems were up to par, it would entice people to stay instead of fleeing to the suburbs where the school systems are much higher rated.

My take is, tear down the crack houses, enforce the landlord laws, and use the money to hire quality teachers who wouldn't mind living in the city if they don't have to live next to a crack house.

Just my opinion....

[nar69]

Originally Posted by Buffalonian4life

Thank you for this post, but, I'm really basing my statistics of the article I read on Buffalorising.com. One of the phases of the Canal Side development is to expand to the Outer Harbor - in which would provide new neiborhoods for Buffalo. They said as many as 40,000 new homes could be developed on the outer harbor. And, yes it would house about 100,000 people, in fact they stated it could reach 120,000 residents. (average 3 or 4 a home) If you do not believe me, please, Check this link and listen to what they have to say in the Podcast. You can click the play button above the download the audio words - right below the first pictures of the project. At about 11:40min to 12:25 into the audio you will hear where I got my statistics from Lary Quinn. Also, if you have time, you should listen to the entire audio. It's very interesting and worth the time to listen to. Especially considering the fact that we have already completed many of the phases of the plan and we are currently now tearing down the Aud and Donavan Building and will start construction on the masive pan by next year. As small as this project seems to you, it really will change the image of Buffalo, especially since the Lower part of Main Street will now be the Shopping Retail Center of the WNY region. There is so much to say, and this is one project. Sure, this will not make up for the corrupt polotitians and mindest and abandoned homes and poverty/crime of the city, but this is MOST DEFINATELY a great start toward a better future building on our Fresh Water resource which few others have. It was nice talking to you, SlickRick1, and I aprreciate your feedback. And I assure you I always base my statistics on true facts as best as possible, so please, I encourage you to listen to this audio and listen intently to the time frame I encouraged you to listen to - to listen about the 40,000 new homes plan.

Buffalo Rising | Podcast: The Canal-Side Project Unveiled




Look at this picture ^ can't you see the plans for part of the 40,000 new homes? It's all on the Outer Harbor with a beautiful cobblestone bridge to Main Street.





^This is the Outer Harbor of Buffalo. The plan is to make all this prime waterfront land into many new neighborhoods for Buffalo, which could include 40,000 new homes.



And, if you misted it...Again:

Buffalo Rising | Podcast: The Canal-Side Project Unveiled

hey just curious, the land there does not look big enough to hold 40,000 homes. what do you think?

also, have they started building the homes yet? is this a done deal or a "possibliity"?

[Buffalonian4life]

Originally Posted by nar69

hey just curious, the land there does not look big enough to hold 40,000 homes. what do you think?

also, have they started building the homes yet? is this a done deal or a "possibliity"?

IMO, It is a relatively small area of land for 40,000 new homes. But, really, if you look at the outer harbor picture I showed, the houses would be a mere small dot and hard to make out from being that high in the air. That is the last phase in development for the big plan. As they are getting all of the Outer Harbor shovel ready and fixing up the roadways and bridges to make it an easy access place to live.

Now, what really is something to look at, is the 3,000 jobs added to the inner harbor. These are good paying jobs, with relatively good benefits for being what it will be.

[Buffalonian4life]

40,000 new homes would be twice the amount of vacant structures in the city. Sounds a little funny to me, but I'm just getting my information from Lary Quinn. Talk to him if you have a lot of questions.

[SlickRick1]

I hear what your saying Buffalonian4life, but I think Larry Quinn is venturing into the wrong neighborhood once or twice a week for a quick lift me up. I know that space well and it could not hold 400 homes. Please someone set up an intervention for "quick hit Larry". No, but on a serious note, I agree with the other ideas for the sixty million. A Bass Pro store would be similar to giving a band aid to a person who has been stabbed multiple times in the face. It just doesnt work. Anyway, I hope I am wrong, but unless they have decided to make that part of Buffalo a little piece of Manhattan, I dont think so. I would litterally have to see it to believe it. I am not blaming you, I am just throwing fingers at the knuckle-head who ever proposed such an idea. That whole concept of 40,000 new homes in an area where there are 20'000 abandoned homes in which the city doesnt know what to do with, and yet to be placed in a tiny little area, is very comical to me. I really wouldn't hold my breath at that one.

[Buffalonian4life]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1

I hear what your saying Buffalonian4life, but I think Larry Quinn is venturing into the wrong neighborhood once or twice a week for a quick lift me up. I know that space well and it could not hold 400 homes. Please someone set up an intervention for "quick hit Larry". No, but on a serious note, I agree with the other ideas for the sixty million. A Bass Pro store would be similar to giving a band aid to a person who has been stabbed multiple times in the face. It just doesnt work. Anyway, I hope I am wrong, but unless they have decided to make that part of Buffalo a little piece of Manhattan, I dont think so. I would litterally have to see it to believe it. I am not blaming you, I am just throwing fingers at the knuckle-head who ever proposed such an idea. That whole concept of 40,000 new homes in an area where there are 20'000 abandoned homes in which the city doesnt know what to do with, and yet to be placed in a tiny little area, is very comical to me. I really wouldn't hold my breath at that one.

Hmm. I just don't know who to believe anymore But why would they have said 40,000 new homes and new neighborhoods and 120,000 plus more people? I mean really, Buffalo isn't a sim city game, but is this logical by any standards? All the people at the conference thought it logical, but I'm still stumped.

[blue60104]

i live here and i love this city it is the best place to live but there is some jobs here and i was born here but soon there will be no jobs i love downtown it is nice and they are remodeling the water front and in downtown they are building basspro so i hope there be jobs soon