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View Poll Results: Population in 2015
~270,000 18 33.33%
265,000-270,000 4 7.41%
260,000-265,000 4 7.41%
250,000-260,000 7 12.96%
240,000-250,000 2 3.70%
225,000-240,000 19 35.19%
Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 06-29-2009, 06:29 PM
 
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No one in their right mind truly believes that we can lower the crime rate by eliminating welfare.
Actually many people do. I just listed an article by a major think tank, as well as a statement from the NAACP. There are lots of people that think people actually should work for their money, a novel idea, I know, for someone that mooches off the welfare state. (the last statement isn't directed to any member in particular FYI)

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. I still can't figure you RWers out, you're all about life until the child is born then you wash your hands of the problem you created
This seems like a non-sequitur. Are you saying that all Conservatives have babies then abandon them?

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It's ok to fight senseless wars around the globe but not ok to help our own nations poor
I am personally against the War in Iraq, I am glad that it is coming to a close. The best help we could give our nations poor is force them to get a job and learn a skill, not sit at home 23 hours a day sleeping, eating, and watching TV.

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I'm still waiting to hear how gay marriage is going to have a negative impact on straight people & traditional marriages?
I never said that it would directly hurt straight marriage, but I am still very opposed to it, which as it happens, Barack Obama is too. Less than 30% of Americans want gays to marry, because they realize the irreparable damage that would be done to the moral fabric of our nation. Even in ultra-Liberal California the voters decided that they did not want gays to marry. As a matter fact, when it has been put to a ballot, only 1 state did not approve gay marriage bans in their state (that state was Arizona, which approved the ban two years later). The only states that have gays marriage are those on which gay marriage was forced upon them by judges, and now in two instances, the legislature.

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The fact that you have "Anyone but Obama" 2012" as your status after less than half a year in office clearly indicates that you're really no different (or open minded) than the rest of the religious right. I'm sure you never once complained about the 8 years of GOP neocon rule by fear & religion we just got past.
Ugh. Barack Obama has done so much damage, you would have to be an idiot to assume that whatever good he could do in three years could ever negate the massive debts he has put us in, as well as the massive tax burden that all Americans will have to carry.
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: EL Paso
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Ugh. Barack Obama has done so much damage, you would have to be an idiot to assume that whatever good he could do in three years could ever negate the massive debts he has put us in, as well as the massive tax burden that all Americans will have to carry.
he put us in debt and has done damage in only 6 months?
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:38 PM
 
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he put us in debt and has done damage in only 6 months?
Yes, he has, and big time. I mean, when you create 1.85 trillion in debt in one year, that is certainly a lot damage, not to mention the irreparable damage that creating a quasi-Socialist economy will bring.

Obama's deficit creation


http://news.aol.com/article/stimulus...-person/327557
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:05 PM
 
Location: EL Paso
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Yes, he has, and big time. I mean, when you create 1.85 trillion in debt in one year, that is certainly a lot damage, not to mention the irreparable damage that creating a quasi-Socialist economy will bring.

Obama's deficit creation


Stimulus Could Cost $37,000 Per Person
you're quoting AOL
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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You clearly didn't even bother click the article, because it was an AP article. I feel like I am debating a child, it just doesn't work

Here are a few more, since apparently one link only won't convince you that our President isn't doing so well with numbers.

Stimulus cost: $3.27 trillion over 10 years if Democratic programs allowed to continue
True Cost of Stimulus: $3.27 Trillion The Foundry
How much will ’stimulus’ cost you? | The Palmetto Scoop
FactCheck.org: What will the stimulus bill cost per family? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/what_will_the_stimulus_bill_cost_per.html - broken link)
How Much Will the Stimulus Cost? | Bailout Amount
How Much Does the Compromise Stimulus Cost? S E N A T U S
The Stimulus Comes with a Cost
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, New York
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For the time being it will be around 270k range. In each step of Buffalos population decline there was always a reason for the exodus. Historically Buffalos main job producers where Steel, Transportation(Rail and Canal),and Automobile construction(also the construction of parts for cars). The last legacy job producer in the area being the auto industry is left, and even that has been scaled back dramatically. The loss of these Industries can not just be pointed at the City of Buffalo as the county, state, and federal governments has all contributed to this decline as well in some way. And still do to this very day.

Losing all these industries in our area has created a negative PR snowball(pun intended) effect. But honestly at this point Metro Buffalos is vastly more diversified at this point than it was 50-60 years ago. The snow has very little to do with people leaving. It's all about jobs.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Hamburg, NY
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This seems like a non-sequitur. Are you saying that all Conservatives have babies then abandon them?

The point, which based on your response I'll assume went right over your head, was that RWers want to outlaw abortion yet they also want to outlaw the welfare programs that many of the women who would then be forced into motherhood (due to abortion being outlawed) would need as a lifeline.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Hamburg, NY
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Yes, he has, and big time. I mean, when you create 1.85 trillion in debt in one year, that is certainly a lot damage, not to mention the irreparable damage that creating a quasi-Socialist economy will bring.
Anyone that already has their mind made up was never going to give Obama a chance regardless. Maybe he will fail ... maybe he wont .... right now its much too early to tell (unless your mind was made up on election night, like most on the far right).
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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For the time being it will be around 270k range. In each step of Buffalos population decline there was always a reason for the exodus. Historically Buffalos main job producers where Steel, Transportation(Rail and Canal),and Automobile construction(also the construction of parts for cars). The last legacy job producer in the area being the auto industry is left, and even that has been scaled back dramatically. The loss of these Industries can not just be pointed at the City of Buffalo as the county, state, and federal governments has all contributed to this decline as well in some way. And still do to this very day.

Losing all these industries in our area has created a negative PR snowball(pun intended) effect. But honestly at this point Metro Buffalos is vastly more diversified at this point than it was 50-60 years ago. The snow has very little to do with people leaving. It's all about jobs.
Thank you very much BuffaloLight for returning to the topic of the post. I have no idea what the others are arguing about but they really must stop it before the moderator locks up this post as well.

On top of the points you mentioned, in order for Buffalo to increase population again, it will definitely need a more educated workforce than its blue collar days. I heard somewhere that only 15-20% of the people living in the Riverside neighborhood have a college degree. That might have been fine when the nearby GM plant was bustling but that is not the case now.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:07 AM
 
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I kind of seems odd that it would be that low, being that we have UB, Buff State, Canesuis... you get my drift. That means that there are a lot of people who are probably somewhat in my shoes, educated, and either find Buffalo's climate (political) not suitable to their success, or simply can't get a job in their field at their desired salary.

Did you know that taking a job in Buffalo meaning taking about a $8000 hit per year on salary for a person with a BS in management? The average Business grad in Buffalo will make about $35,000 a year, in other areas (outside of NY, so NYC's high salaries aren't factored in)

Yes Buffalo's cost of living is low, but is it almost 20% below average? No.

Nashville's cost of living is about the same, yet average salaries there are $15k above Buffalo Lexington is also similar, but the average salary is about $17k higher then Buffalo, even Roanoke is lower in terms of cost of living, yet the average worker there makes $8k more than here. For any grad think dollars and cents, moving away is very logical.

I think what we do need to do, as has been suggested is bring high paying jobs here. On the numbers alone most people would give Buffalo little more than a quick glance.
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