Not happy about moving to the area (New York, Buffalo: construction, income)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Canerican

Oh, so we didn't really disagree on anything.

I should have used the word rural instead of village, as that would have said what I meant better.

I should have said:

So, rurals areas should required far more money per capita in order to create and maintain infrastructure, in accordance with the law of economies of scale.



Oh, I know what a hamlet is, but there are none in New York, that's what sort of confused me.

Actually, there are hamlets in NY. It's in the article I posted. For instance, I grew up in a community called Onondaga Hill in the town of Onondaga. That would be considered to be a hamlet with that town. That's what it is meant by a community being a hamlet. It's the equivalent to a neighborhood in a city, but in a town setting. It is unofficial by state law, but there are some communities that list such when entering that community. Administrative divisions of New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brookhaven Hamlet, Suffolk County, New York

Also, would a "hamlet" like Onondaga Hill, that has around 5,000 people be more costly than a village like Tully that has around 1200 people? What about Sherrill, a city of 3200?

[BuffaloTransplant]

Originally Posted by Canerican

Oh, I know what a hamlet is, but there are none in New York, that's what sort of confused me.

There are many unincorporated hamlets in the Buffalo , NY area. My Fire Dept. is located in one: Hamlet of Town Line (it has signs as such on Broadway, between Lancaster/Alden). It is technically an unincorporated area of Alden town.

You can see many in the county and many more south of here.

[Canerican]

Originally Posted by BuffaloTransplant

There are many unincorporated hamlets in the Buffalo , NY area.

From Wikipedia:

Though the term "hamlet" is not defined under New York law, many people in the state use the term hamlet to refer to a community within a town that is not incorporated as a village. Because a hamlet has no government of its own, it depends upon the town that contains it for municipal services and government

So while some places may call themselves hamlets, or be called hamlets by residents, there are not legally hamlets. But I understand what you are saying... it is more a colloquialism than anything.

[TheWhale]

Originally Posted by TLC1495

So I'm soupose to move to the area. I have never been so stressed out in my life!

So the good things I've seen in the Buffalo area: The people. Very nice atleast the people I've met so far. You certaintly love the city that's for sure.

Now what I don't like: Live on this street, but don't go two streets over because it's a "bad" area? Two streets?? Really? You consider an area good as long as you stay within certain streets?

The homes for rent. Yes we are moving there renting until I figure out what area I want to buy in. Uppper and Lowers?? Why does everyone take one house and turn it into two small apartments, and then charge crazy prices for them? Dirty and run down also. Every apartment I looked at was over priced, run down, dirty, and you would have to pay me to live there because I would have to do so much work to even feel comfortable to live in it!

The two full houses I found for rent I was shocked that they even were showing them in the condition they were in. First, last, security?? Why don't they take previous renters money and fix the place up? For the price of an upper I can rent a very nice almost new house in the south, which is where I live now.

No central a/c??? The excuse is it's only hot a couple months out of the year so they don't bother? That's like saying the south only stays cold a couple months out of the year, so why bother with central heat. You will never find that nonsense here.

Upper and Lowers??? Who gets to enjoy the back yard? The driveway? The front porch?
What's wrong with keeping a full house a full house??

So we looked in several areas. My fiance who's from there wants to move to Kenmore because that's where his family lives. So while just visiting over the years I have to admit, I loved it, but I only stayed within their street which is right near Kenmore West High and Tonawanda right across Sheridan. Cute neighborhoods, people really take care of their yards and homes. But while there acutally looking I found out that the streets I've been on are the only good ones. I don't feel comfortable raising my kids in an area where I have to say "Don't go down this street, or this one, or that one". Just crazy!!

So now I hear that Kenmore West test scores have dropped and there are gangs now in the school! But most will say that's not true (The ones that live in the area), but a friend moved out of the area because of the gangs that have moved in. Why don't people just tell the truth about the area and the schools?

I'm moving my kids from an area where within an almost 30 mile area everywhere is safe and there is no, don't go here or there, and gangs do not exist in our school systems. If they did we would have a hold on it so quick their heads would spin!

Drive down the highway through the city and all I saw were old run down warehouses that should of been blown up years ago. Their still sitting there empty. Why??? The city looks nasty from the highway. With all of the high taxes that your paying has anyone ever questioned where that money was going? Tear them down and build new apartment buildings, hotels, muesums, etc. If you like warehouses, then build new ones that don't look like they will fall at any minuete.

The Niagara river: What the $%*#????
You have one of the 7 wonders of the world and the only one that takes advantage of it is Mississippi Mudds. Bring revenue into the area by building attractions along the river. Your just letting Canada take all of the tourist money. What.. you don't want tourists? Too bad, don't live near Niagara Falls!! The extra money will do the city good. Or not, seeing how obviously you have a corrupt government there that is taking your hard earned money and putting it into their pockets!! Why don't the citizens fight back? You need to get those people out of office!! Maybe you shoud break away from the Democratic way and try something new, because those old ways, aren't working. Your city is wasting away and everyone keeps electing the same people into office.

And yes, I looked at several areas while there because I wasen't happy with what I was seeing in Kenmore. Drove 200 mile just while in Buffalo so believe me when I say I deffiently looked in more areas then just Kenmore. Saw aparments on Grand Island that were almost 1500mo??? Really??? For the same thing here I would pay around 750 to 800mo. Except for one difference down south it would be new or close to it with central a/c and heat! Grand Island expensive? Why? What's so good about it?

Then over by UB North townhomes were 1200mo. Come on people you are being ripped off!!

Ok, so I will get these comments:
Then don't move here...too bad I'm moving there anyway
We don't want you here....too bad, I'm unfortuantly on my way
You were just in a bad area...yes I forgot I went one block too far
Kenmore West isn't a bad school.....oh come on, someone just tell the truth! I looked up test scores online, not impressive. Can't prove the gang issue but when I hear someone was shot a couple blocks from the school because of drugs, hmmmmmmm suspecious!!

So I say this: TAKE BACK YOUR CITY!! FIRE THE POLITICIANS AND HIRE YOUNG NEW ONES THAT WANT A CHANGE IN THE CITY AND WILL FOLLOW THROUGH!!!!!
RUN THE GANGS OUT OF THE AREA!!
MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM CERTAIN STREETS!!!

I have an idea. Take the people that are on welfare and make them serve atleast 10 hours of work a week to building the city up. No community service, no welfare check!!

It's sad that someone that doesn't even live there yet is more concerned about the area then people that have lived there their whole life and have no plans on leaving.

This area has been taken over by teachers unions, politicians and liberals.
The younger generation are almost all indoctrinated as far left liberals, the schools are mostly responsible for that.
Over the last 3 years I have been noticing a huge number of illegal aliens in the area so your comments about gangs doesn't surprise me in the least.

I appreciate your question regarding where our tax money goes and how run down this area is.
The simple answer is government employees are lining their pockets.
The local governments are so big now that it's at a point of no return.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by TheWhale

This area has been taken over by teachers unions, politicians and liberals.
The younger generation are almost all indoctrinated as far left liberals, the schools are mostly responsible for that.
Over the last 3 years I have been noticing a huge number of illegal aliens in the area so your comments about gangs doesn't surprise me in the least.

I appreciate your question regarding where our tax money goes and how run down this area is.
The simple answer is government employees are lining their pockets.
The local governments are so big now that it's at a point of no return.

A "huge" number of illegal immigrants in the Buffalo area? Really?

[TheWhale]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

A "huge" number of illegal immigrants in the Buffalo area? Really?

Absolutely, go to Walmart that's all you need to do to see it, it's like a United Nations in there.

I once saw over a dozen women wearing burkas in Walmart along with their other family members, all of them speaking some unknown language.
And no it wasn't halloween.

In fact I've seen hispanic illegals WORKING in Walmart. (they were having a conversation about getting a bus back to mexico on their vacaton).

I was in Aldis the other day, the guy in front of me had 3 kid all between 3 and 6 years old speaking an asian language.
He drove off in a brand new SUV yet bought around $200 worth of food with a welfare card.
The entire family was dressed very well and the father had all the latest gadgets like a cell phone that clipped on his ear, yet somehow they had social services card and a brand new $25K+ vehicle.

Are all they people I constantly see speaking foreign languages LEGAL immigrants?
If you believe that it's because you CHOOSE to, I'm not aware of some new program which vastly increased the number of legal immigrants into the USA, and at no point in the past have I seen this in these numbers in Buffalo.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by TheWhale

Absolutely, go to Walmart that's all you need to do to see it, it's like a United Nations in there.

I once saw over a dozen women wearing burkas in Walmart along with their other family members, all of them speaking some unknown language.
And no it wasn't halloween.

In fact I've seen hispanic illegals WORKING in Walmart. (they were having a conversation about getting a bus back to mexico on their vacaton).

I was in Aldis the other day, the guy in front of me had 3 kid all between 3 and 6 years old speaking an asian language.
He drove off in a brand new SUV yet bought around $200 worth of food with a welfare card.
The entire family was dressed very well and the father had all the latest gadgets like a cell phone that clipped on his ear, yet somehow they had social services card and a brand new $25K+ vehicle.

Are all they people I constantly see speaking foreign languages LEGAL immigrants?
If you believe that it's because you CHOOSE to, I'm not aware of some new program which vastly increased the number of legal immigrants into the USA, and at no point in the past have I seen this in these numbers in Buffalo.

How do you know they are illegal immigrants?

Also, they could be refugees too. Here in Syracuse, we've been getting refugees from places like Sudan, Vietnam, Laos, Bhutan, Burma and Bosnia, among other countries, within the last 10 years or so and some groups have been coming here for a much longer period of time. They come with help from groups like Catholic Charities and other similar groups and organizations. So, let's not make it seem like these people are all illegal just because they speak a different language.

Many, because they have just gotten here recently, might qualify for public assistance too.

I wonder if they came from Europe, would you say the same thing?

[TheWhale]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

How do you know they are illegal immigrants?

Also, they could be refugees too. Here in Syracuse, we've been getting refugees from places like Sudan, Vietnam, Laos, Bhutan, Burma and Bosnia, among other countries, within the last 10 years or so and some groups have been coming here for a much longer period of time. They come with help from groups like Catholic Charities and other similar groups and organizations. So, let's not make it seem like these people are all illegal just because they speak a different language.

Many, because they have just gotten here recently, might qualify for public assistance too.

I wonder if they came from Europe, would you say the same thing?

I wonder if you're one of these far left liberals who don't believe that there are illegal aliens in the USA.

Getting ready to open up your wallet for global warming too?

Let me tell you something the Catholic Charities didn't bring these people in and if you don't see something suspicious in a family that speaks a foreign language and drives around in a brand new suv yet buys food with a welfare card you don't have a career as an investigator.
Or anything else that takes deductive reasoning for that matter.

Do you think the Catholic Charities are bringing muslims into Buffalo?
That couldn't paint a funnier picture.

It's typical of you liberals to figure that the answer to everything is to just call someone a racist.

That's what was done to certain members of the senate who tried to investigate the freddy mac fanny mae loans long before it lead to this current collapse.....they were called racists by people like YOU.

The financial consequences of this unchecked illegal immigration will be far worse and all your liberal race baiting won't fix it anymore than it'll fix the current recession.

[Canerican]

I don't agree with every that Whale said (but I agree with most). What I will say is that it is undeniable that New York State is attracting illegals, if not Buffalo. And you can't say that illegals do not cause far more harm than good (using our social services, but not paying a cent in taxes).

I don't think that it's a massive problem like in the border states, but that's why NY won't do a thing about it.

As much as I think that Arizona has some pretty wacky politicians I applaud them for taking right away from illegals, and only offering state services in English. If our area would do this, we could prevent a huge problem, which is just developing now.

I totally do not think that any here illegally deserves ANY rights past what is essential to keeping them alive, and what is essential to bring them back to whatever 3rd world country they came from.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by TheWhale

I wonder if you're one of these far left liberals who don't believe that there are illegal aliens in the USA.

Getting ready to open up your wallet for global warming too?

Let me tell you something the Catholic Charities didn't bring these people in and if you don't see something suspicious in a family that speaks a foreign language and drives around in a brand new suv yet buys food with a welfare card you don't have a career as an investigator.
Or anything else that takes deductive reasoning for that matter.

Do you think the Catholic Charities are bringing muslims into Buffalo?
That couldn't paint a funnier picture.

It's typical of you liberals to figure that the answer to everything is to just call someone a racist.

That's what was done to certain members of the senate who tried to investigate the freddy mac fanny mae loans long before it lead to this current collapse.....they were called racists by people like YOU.

The financial consequences of this unchecked illegal immigration will be far worse and all your liberal race baiting won't fix it anymore than it'll fix the current recession.

Huh? These 'liberal"/"conservative" labels are played out, first of all.

Second, I don't see too many of these immigrants in my area driving much of anything, let alone an SUV.

Yes, many of these immigrants are brought to the US from war torn countries, in which the Catholic church or similar organizations help them get to the US. I guess this is a lie then: Catholic Chariites of Onondaga Programs and Services :: Other Services Cities like Minneapolis, Binghamton, Utica, St. Louis, St. Petersburg and others have noticeable refugee populations as well.

I guess Muslims have to be illegal to get into the US. Yeah, I guess they all come in illegally. Really? I wonder if the large Arab community in the Detroit area is all illegal. Same with the Yemenis in the Buffalo area. What about the Lebanese that have been in the country for decades, if not for more than a century?

Who called anyone a racist? I just asked a simple question and it appears that you made your own assumption. I'm sure there are probably some European immigrants that have come here illegally, but many do not take that into consideration as well.

As for "welfare" or assistance, it's a matter of qualifications and there is welfare that has been given to families of various income levels. So, there would be plenty of blame to go around in that regard, I guess.