Not happy about moving to the area (Hempstead, Islip: for sale, rental)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Canerican

I don't agree with every that Whale said (but I agree with most). What I will say is that it is undeniable that New York State is attracting illegals, if not Buffalo. And you can't say that illegals do not cause far more harm than good (using our social services, but not paying a cent in taxes).

I don't think that it's a massive problem like in the border states, but that's why NY won't do a thing about it.

As much as I think that Arizona has some pretty wacky politicians I applaud them for taking right away from illegals, and only offering state services in English. If our area would do this, we could prevent a huge problem, which is just developing now.

I totally do not think that any here illegally deserves ANY rights past what is essential to keeping them alive, and what is essential to bring them back to whatever 3rd world country they came from.

That part is what made think if that is legit in terms of NY State. If it is going on, I think it is relatively minimal. Not saying that it is alright, but to say it is a huge issue here sounds a bit exaggerated.

[Canerican]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

That part is what made think if that is legit in terms of NY State. If it is going on, I think it is relatively minimal. Not saying that it is alright, but to say it is a huge issue here sounds a bit exaggerated.

Well there are AREAS. But it seems like the pols don't care about Jamaica (NY), or Harlem, two of the largest homes to illegals in the country.

The thing is that the politicians who would do something about it (Conservatives), don't represent NYC, so they won't pick a fight that they know they'll lose.

But in my opinion, if even $1 is lost because of illegal aliens, it is $1 too much.

I guess Muslims have to be illegal to get into the US. Yeah, I guess they all come in illegally. Really?

I think that you misread his post. That isn't what he is getting at.

But I do think that the Catholic Church needs to get out of the refugee business. How about instead of bringing people out of destitution to leech of the US taxpayer, they use the money that they are using to bring dregs over here in order to improve conditions in the 3rd world.

I'm not against immigration, or bringing in refugees. I am an immigrant. But this is a little excessive, when 10% of our population isn't even American, and many have no desire to assimilate, or learn a word of English (and that doesn't include 12-20m illegals).

[UpstaterInBklyn]

This thread has been totally hijacked, but I guess I'll go along

Originally Posted by Canerican

Well there are AREAS. But it seems like the pols don't care about Jamaica (NY), or Harlem, two of the largest homes to illegals in the country.

The thing is that the politicians who would do something about it (Conservatives), don't represent NYC, so they won't pick a fight that they know they'll lose.

Jamaica and Harlem?!

These aren't even immigrant neighborhoods. Jamaica is a mixed-race neighborhood in Queens and Harlem is home of one of the oldest African-American communities in the country. However, there is an invasion of newcomers to Harlem.... affluent yuppie newcomers.

This claim would have an ounce of credibility if you had listed actual immigrant neighborhoods such as Washington Heights (Dominicans), Flushing (Chinese) or Brighton Beach (Russians & Ukrainians), which actually DO harbor many illegals, along with plenty of legal immigrants too. But Harlem and Jamaica? Not even close.

Where you read this stuff?

[Canerican]

Jamaica is now over 30% hispanic... C-D doesn't allow linking to competitor websites, but you can find that info.

I can't find info on Harlem, but I went there every day last time I went to NY, and there were tons of Puerto Ricans. NYC is also over 30% hispanic, this doesn't inlcude the illegal, of course.

Let me ask you Upstater, since you would obviously know better than me, since you live there, which neighborhoods harbor illegal MEXICANS and CENTRAL AMERICANS, since you convenients left out the two largest illegal immigrant groups to the US.

I kinda get what Wghale meant now.

[Port North]

Originally Posted by Canerican

which neighborhoods harbor illegal MEXICANS and CENTRAL AMERICANS

This may be a surprise to people in WNY but most of these immigrant groups downstate settle in the lower income areas of the suburbs closer to the lawn cutting, fast food, construction and monied people that they work for. The Bronx is still home to a lot of them but more and more are moving directly from their home countries to areas in Long Island, The Hudson Valley, Northern NJ.

[UpstaterInBklyn]

Originally Posted by Canerican

I can't find info on Harlem, but I went there every day last time I went to NY, and there were tons of Puerto Ricans. NYC is also over 30% hispanic, this doesn't inlcude the illegal, of course.

I thought you would have known, as student of geography, that Puerto Ricans are American citizens. OK. I guess you learned something new today. Anyway, the area on the far East side north of 96th St. is referred to as "Spanish Harlem", and has been a Puerto Rican neighborhood for three generations. It is considered a separate and distinct neighborhood from Harlem. Puerto Rican culture has been a mainstream part of NYC culture for more than 50 years (i.e. "West Side Story").

If "Hispanic" means Spanish-speaking, then it must be understood that the Spanish-speaking population of NYC is a very diverse group of nationalities from throughout Central and South America and the Caribbean (see below) plus many Puerto Ricans.

NYC immigration itself is a hodge-podge of small numbers of people from all over the world, with no single country providing more than 10% of the total.

Originally Posted by Canerican

Let me ask you Upstater, since you would obviously know better than me, since you live there, which neighborhoods harbor illegal MEXICANS and CENTRAL AMERICANS, since you convenients left out the two largest illegal immigrant groups to the US.

I conveniently left them out because the populations are so small.

Mexicans make up only 5% of the foreign-born population of the NYC metro area (less than 2% of the total population). There is a small Mexican community in the Sunset Park section of Brooklyn, and very small Central American enclaves in other parts of Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx.

The Central American nationalities such as Guatemalan, El Salvadoran and Honduran make up about 4% of the foreign born population when added together.

European immigrants (white people!) actually outnumber all of the Mexicans and Central Americans put together. There are also many more Indians and Chinese than Mexicans or Central Americans. South Americans also outnumber Central Americans and Mexicans with Ecuadorans, Colombians, Guyanese, Peruvians and Brazilians making up over 10% of the foreign-born population.


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The largest immigrant group in NYC is Caribbeans, dominated by Dominicans.

The dynamics of Caribbean migration to NY are completely different than Mexican migration to the Southwest. The vast majority of Caribbean immigration is legal. For Dominicans it has been estimated that 13-15% are illegal (Only about 100K people nationwide). Migrating to NYC from the Dominican Republic (an island) is logistically far more difficult than crossing from Mexico to California. One other factoid: Dominican migration peaked fourteen years ago and has been declining ever since.

I'm not denying illegal immigration exists. There are plenty of illegals in NYC, but in general, most illegal immigration to NYC is achieved by overstaying tourist visas, and is done by every group, including Europeans. There are many Ukrainian and Russian illegals in NYC, but since they are white people, you'd never notice them while your attention is focused on all of the Puerto Rican American citizens in Spanish Harlem.

BTW, I'd still love to know where you learned that Jamaica and Harlem are "two of the largest homes to illegals in the country"

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by UpstaterInBklyn

This thread has been totally hijacked, but I guess I'll go along



Jamaica and Harlem?!

These aren't even immigrant neighborhoods. Jamaica is a mixed-race neighborhood in Queens and Harlem is home of one of the oldest African-American communities in the country. However, there is an invasion of newcomers to Harlem.... affluent yuppie newcomers.

This claim would have an ounce of credibility if you had listed actual immigrant neighborhoods such as Washington Heights (Dominicans), Flushing (Chinese) or Brighton Beach (Russians & Ukrainians), which actually DO harbor many illegals, along with plenty of legal immigrants too. But Harlem and Jamaica? Not even close.

Where you read this stuff?

I was thinking the same thing......

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Port North

This may be a surprise to people in WNY but most of these immigrant groups downstate settle in the lower income areas of the suburbs closer to the lawn cutting, fast food, construction and monied people that they work for. The Bronx is still home to a lot of them but more and more are moving directly from their home countries to areas in Long Island, The Hudson Valley, Northern NJ.

Yup, places like New Cassel, Uniondale, Mt. Kisco and some others have some. I don't know how extensive it is in those communities, but there are SOME places with that issue.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by UpstaterInBklyn

I thought you would have known, as student of geography, that Puerto Ricans are American citizens. OK. I guess you learned something new today. Anyway, the area on the far East side north of 96th St. is referred to as "Spanish Harlem", and has been a Puerto Rican neighborhood for three generations. It is considered a separate and distinct neighborhood from Harlem. Puerto Rican culture has been a mainstream part of NYC culture for more than 50 years (i.e. "West Side Story").

If "Hispanic" means Spanish-speaking, then it must be understood that the Spanish-speaking population of NYC is a very diverse group of nationalities from throughout Central and South America and the Caribbean (see below) plus many Puerto Ricans.

NYC immigration itself is a hodge-podge of small numbers of people from all over the world, with no single country providing more than 10% of the total.



I conveniently left them out because the populations are so small.

Mexicans make up only 5% of the foreign-born population of the NYC metro area (less than 2% of the total population). There is a small Mexican community in the Sunset Park section of Brooklyn, and very small Central American enclaves in other parts of Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx.

The Central American nationalities such as Guatemalan, El Salvadoran and Honduran make up about 4% of the foreign born population when added together.

European immigrants (white people!) actually outnumber all of the Mexicans and Central Americans put together. There are also many more Indians and Chinese than Mexicans or Central Americans. South Americans also outnumber Central Americans and Mexicans with Ecuadorans, Colombians, Guyanese, Peruvians and Brazilians making up over 10% of the foreign-born population.


Source

The largest immigrant group in NYC is Caribbeans, dominated by Dominicans.

The dynamics of Caribbean migration to NY are completely different than Mexican migration to the Southwest. The vast majority of Caribbean immigration is legal. For Dominicans it has been estimated that 13-15% are illegal (Only about 100K people nationwide). Migrating to NYC from the Dominican Republic (an island) is logistically far more difficult than crossing from Mexico to California. One other factoid: Dominican migration peaked fourteen years ago and has been declining ever since.

I'm not denying illegal immigration exists. There are plenty of illegals in NYC, but in general, most illegal immigration to NYC is achieved by overstaying tourist visas, and is done by every group, including Europeans. There are many Ukrainian and Russian illegals in NYC, but since they are white people, you'd never notice them while your attention is focused on all of the Puerto Rican American citizens in Spanish Harlem.

BTW, I'd still love to know where you learned that Jamaica and Harlem are "two of the largest homes to illegals in the country"

Thank you for putting this all in proper perspective.

[Canerican]

Originally Posted by UpstaterInBklyn

I thought you would have known, as student of geography, that Puerto Ricans are American citizens. OK. I guess you learned something new today.

I knew that, jerk. Where did I say Puerto Ricans were illegals?

I won't hold my breath, as I never said that. But thanks for being rude anyway!

Yup, places like New Cassel, Uniondale, Mt. Kisco and some others have some. I don't know how extensive it is in those communities, but there are SOME places with that issue.

Don't forget Middletown. I went there expecting an 80% White city, and was shocked to see (and then read) that it was close to 30% hispanic.