Hit a roadblock in my plan to move to Buffalo (New York: quality of life, taxes)

[donbuy]

Originally Posted by Sumermarie

Very nice! Thank you for the clarification, after breaking it down this makes me feel better. Regardless if they are losing people or not.
Moderator cut: argumentative

Thanks, I am glad that people do get it. I guess I didn't realize that there were kids on this site. In any event it's by knowing the true cause of the area's population loss that can lead to solutions to the problem, if indeed it is a problem. To me it makes no difference what the population is, I love the community, the weather and all that the region has to offer. If we are the 10th biggest or 100th biggest metro, I couldn't care less. In fact I think most people around here would prefer to be #100 rather than be #10 and have to deal with all the added hassles to daily life.

[Canerican]

Originally Posted by donbuy

If we are the 10th biggest or 100th biggest metro, I couldn't care less. In fact I think most people around here would prefer to be #100 rather than be #10 and have to deal with all the added hassles to daily life.

So see, you are getting your wish, and before long Buffalo will be there. So you were arguing over nothing.

I agree, it is a good thing that Buffalo's population is dropping, I think that people have been waking up and realizing they don't have to deal with the garbage that goes on here... Sure some people love high taxes and low wages, and to them, Buffalo is a Utopia, for the others who have dreams bigger than mediocrity (like me) leaving Buffalo is ideal.

[donbuy]

Originally Posted by Vex

Well I don't know what to say. Info from the Tax Foundation and the State of Virginia states that there is a graduated rate. http://www.tax.virginia.gov/web_pdfs/taxtable.pdf The deduction is also 6k for a married couple.
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Could be they changed the tax rates since we left there. In any event it's geat to save the $9.00 per week in (non federal tax deductible) sales tax on groceries for my family of 5. Not to mention the garbage and car fees.

They have a big government just like New York except they fund it differently. Either way the politicians look after themselves.

[Canerican]

Save $9 a week spend an extra $30 on property taxes... (on average, for Hampton roads area)

[donbuy]

Originally Posted by Canerican

Save $9 a week spend an extra $30 on property taxes... (on average, for Hampton roads area)

I generally don’t respond to minors but thanks for proving my point.

Property tax saving in Virginia using your data $30 x 52 = $1,560

Less: Sales tax savings on food $9 x 52 = (468.00)

Less: Sales tax saving on clothing for my family $3,000 x .02 = (60.00)

Less: Personal Property tax on two cars (using amount we paid 4 years ago) (975.00)

Less: Garbage fee not included in taxes in Va. but included in my town property tax here (465.00)

Less: Cost of annual water in my town here compared to in Va.. (430.00)

Less: Lower federal tax liability due to deductibility of property tax $1,560 x 28% = (436.00)

Total occupancy cost savings in my NY house versus Va. house = $1,274.00

Plus groceries are substantially cheaper here and my income here is higher. Why would I not be happy with my move? Sadly many people focus on only one tree (property tax rates) in NY and fail to see the forest that surrounds those living in other communities.(fees, sales taxes on groceries, property tax on cars, etc)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by donbuy

I generally don’t respond to minors but thanks for proving my point.

Property tax saving in Virginia using your data $30 x 52 = $1,560

Less: Sales tax savings on food $9 x 52 = (468.00)

Less: Sales tax saving on clothing for my family $3,000 x .02 = (60.00)

Less: Personal Property tax on two cars (using amount we paid 4 years ago) (975.00)

Less: Garbage fee not included in taxes in Va. but included in my town property tax here (465.00)

Less: Cost of annual water in my town here compared to in Va.. (430.00)

Less: Lower federal tax liability due to deductibility of property tax $1,560 x 28% = (436.00)

Total occupancy cost savings in my NY house versus Va. house = $1,274.00

Plus groceries are substantially cheaper here and my income here is higher. Why would I not be happy with my move? Sadly many people focus on only one tree (property tax rates) in NY and fail to see the forest that surrounds those living in other communities.(fees, sales taxes on groceries, property tax on cars, etc)

Wow! Thanks for putting this up, as people have been saying this all along. There is a trade off, as the states have to get the money from somewhere, but people get caught up in the property tax thing with NY.

If anything, NY needs to work on the tax issue with businesses, so they can stay, keep and/or create jobs. Then, in turn, more people will stay or move into the state.

[Canerican]

Plus the $18000 extra you'd make in Virginia Beach with an MBA...

[donbuy]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Wow! Thanks for putting this up, as people have been saying this all along. There is a trade off, as the states have to get the money from somewhere, but people get caught up in the property tax thing with NY.
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It makes for easy talk show fodder - everyone likes to B&M about taxes or the weather. It;s easier than thinking through the issues.

[VegasRocks]

Originally Posted by donbuy

It makes for easy talk show fodder - everyone likes to B&M about taxes or the weather. It;s easier than thinking through the issues.

Taxes are going up a whole lot more at every level
Lancaster, Cheektowaga, Hamburg etc..... Are rising their taxes 3% for 2010 (rising taxes every year is the norm)
& NYS Dedceit keeps growing & growing now it's at 3 Billion
and in 4 year grows to 38 Billion

and growing and Gov Paterson is clueless on what to do





Deficit grows to $3 billion as Paterson asks for ideas : Home: The Buffalo News


If your happy living in WNY, that's great, but I'll tell you what
I know a lot of people & business's that are not sinking with NYS & losing thier A$$

[Canerican]

Originally Posted by VegasRocks

I know a lot of people & business's that are not sinking with NYS & losing thier A$$

Really, I heard that the almost no one left, and the population decline was 85% due to deaths, and that out of the people who moved 9/10 decided they love Buffalo so much they want to move back

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You are dead on in reality. It's honorable to stick things out for awhile, but after some time you have to say "Buffalo has very low potential, am I happy living somewhere where I can't live up to the goals I set a long time ago?" If the answer is yes and things like accumulating wealth for your future generations, retiring, and being able to be free without your government telling you what you should be eating, or what size of car you should drive, or if you should be one of the privileged few to be able to exercise your 2nd amendment right, then stay in NY. If you desire success and more freedom, get out of here! New York was literally ranked the least free state economically and fiscally as well as 3rd least free for "personal freedoms" by a scholarly paper written at GMU (hardly a bastion of Conservatism).

New York ranked last by FAR in this study for overall freedom and Colorado and NH came in first and second (both Blue states, so you can't say this is some partisan puff piece.)

New York is by far the least free state in the Union (#50 economic, #48 personal). One of us lives in New York and can attest to the fact that few New Yorkers would be surprised by such a finding. Sadly, equally few New Yorkers seem to believe that any- thing can be done about the situation. New York has the highest taxes in the country. Property, selec- tive sales, individual income, and corporate income taxes are particularly high. Spending on social ser- vices and “other” is well above national norms. Only Massachusetts has more government debt as a per- centage of the economy. Government employment is higher than average. On personal freedoms, gun laws are extremely restrictive, but marijuana laws are better than average (while tobacco laws are extremely strict). Motorists are highly regulated, but several kinds of gambling are allowed statewide (not casinos, except on reservations). Home school regulations are burdensome, but asset forfeiture has been reformed. Along with Vermont, New York has the strictest health insurance community rating regulations. Mandated coverages are also very high. Eminent domain is totally unreformed. Perversely, the state strictly limits what grassroots PACs may give to candidates and parties, but not what corpora- tions and unions may give.

http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...0%20States.pdf

Yes, I am ashamed of being a New Yorker... The only thing worse would be if I was actually born in this place.