Did TATA Consulting create any jobs for Americans in Buffalo? (Corning: attorney, home)

[I_Love_LI_but]

Just wondering what happened after they weaseled their way into access to the supercomputer that NYS taxpayers paid for.

I am wondering if they pulled their usual tactics when doing business in the USA:

1. minimal jobs for Americans (except maybe salespersons to sell offshore outsourcing, so for every 1 "American" job they create in sales, they send thousands of other Americans' jobs offshore).

2. Bring in as much L visa workers from India as possible (and there is no limit on L visas, unlike H1B's).

3. Ship as much work off to India to be done there as possible.

Here is the background on Hillary and TATA if you don't know/don't remember the story from a couple of years back:

... this news is older, but it bears repeating, as an example of our two-faced traitor politicians taking care of India rather than their own citizens and trying to pass it off as economic growth and jobs for the U.S.A.

Traitor politician Hillary Clinton brought TATA into Buffalo, NY, on the guise of "creating jobs for NYS." Sure, TATA has a FANTASTIC (sarcasm) track record when it comes to creating jobs in the U.S.! They almost exclusively employ Indian nationals on temporary worker visas OR they ship the work offshore to India.

What jobs will be created for NYS? Maybe janitors to clean their offices and restrooms? A guy to come in and water their plants? Maybe a few cheap office admin. jobs? However, scratch that, as I suppose the secretaries will have to speak Hindi, so perhaps they'll bring their office staff in from India too.

The worst part is any idiot can see what TATA is really up to! Trying to steal our technology, that's what! See quotes below:

"The Indian company was drawn to Buffalo by the area's growing concentration of bioinformatics skills, including the supercomputer at UB devoted to bioinformatic research, said M. Vidyasagar, executive vice president of advanced technology."

"The news was that Asia's largest computer consultant has become a deep-pocket partner of the University at Buffalo. Under an agreement signed Monday, Tata Consultancy Services of India will partner with local researchers and help transform their discoveries into money-making products."

"After the signing of the agreement Monday, university and company representatives began talks to identify joint research projects. One of Tata's interests at UB wasn't biotechnology but character recognition, a science that can lead to security technology and new identification techniques. Tata is also looking at UB's digital imaging capabilities and its $13 million Dell supercomputer, which is being harnessed to determine protein structures, a step in the development of new drugs."

"But some in the tech community voiced concern that the state's $100 million-plus bioinformatics investment will wind up boosting the economy in Bombay instead of Buffalo."

Handy, eh? NYS makes a huge investment in the research and equipment; TATA takes the profits from it back home to the Indian economy!

Hillary Clinton is nothing but a money-grubbing traitor and the University of Buffalo and the local politicians have been paid off to turn a blind eye to the obvious.

[BuffaloTransplant]

Hillary also got grant money for Corning Glass and the work went overseas.

[JustinH]

It isn't just that. I work for a very large financial bank with an office in the suburbs of Buffalo.

Back in 2005-2006, they spent money for a new building, and tons of people were hired. The CEO touted Buffalo as a great place because it was so cost efficient (people work for nothing here).

Since the recession hit.. We have been on a cut throat warpath to cut costs to make it look like we are making money. Tons of people are laid off, then they brought a group of folks from India to learn how to do work that was being done in Buffalo. Next, all the people were fired in Buffalo, and India took over the operations. This was a large group of CPA's, not call center jobs.

The Buffalo branch pays some of the lowest wages in our company, right up there with rural Georgia. Its a shame that they cut costs even deeper, and give the work to India.

The next move is to start firing corporate employees, and filling the seats with casual workers from temp agencies. These people make 12 dollars per hour, no benefits, no vacation, nothing.

It is a very sad time!

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by JustinH

It isn't just that. I work for a very large financial bank with an office in the suburbs of Buffalo.

Back in 2005-2006, they spent money for a new building, and tons of people were hired. The CEO touted Buffalo as a great place because it was so cost efficient (people work for nothing here).

Since the recession hit.. We have been on a cut throat warpath to cut costs to make it look like we are making money. Tons of people are laid off, then they brought a group of folks from India to learn how to do work that was being done in Buffalo. Next, all the people were fired in Buffalo, and India took over the operations. This was a large group of CPA's, not call center jobs.

The Buffalo branch pays some of the lowest wages in our company, right up there with rural Georgia. Its a shame that they cut costs even deeper, and give the work to India.

The next move is to start firing corporate employees, and filling the seats with casual workers from temp agencies. These people make 12 dollars per hour, no benefits, no vacation, nothing.

It is a very sad time!

Junior attorney work is also being offshored.

I actually thought the president of one of the national groups for accountants spoke out against offshore outsourcing of accounting work because he said, "it devalues our profession."

How true! Because once a company makes a pact with the devil ... fire their Americans and get cheap labor from India to up their profit line ... they become dependent on that cheap labor. Then, once the cheap labor learns everything it trains them to do, the cheap labor cuts out the middleman employing them and goes after their clients directly at lower prices than the middleman American company can charge and make a profit. They can cut their throats because there is nothing the middleman company can do as they are bound by the laws of India, NOT the USA. Even if they sue in India, India has the lowest conviction rate in the world.

[Canerican]

What's wrong with offshoring some jobs? It allows us to get rid of the lower jobs, so we can focus on higher value created sector, and it keeps America competitive by allowing our companies to sell their products at the lowest cost possible.

For the few American jobs lost, the benefits are extremely good.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by Canerican

What's wrong with offshoring some jobs? It allows us to get rid of the lower jobs, so we can focus on higher value created sector, and it keeps America competitive by allowing our companies to sell their products at the lowest cost possible.

For the few American jobs lost, the benefits are extremely good.

A "few American jobs lost?" Try millions of American jobs lost and it is growing every day. It seems like the last thing you heard about this subject was the nonsense spouted several years ago about "how it will create american jobs." The benefits are good for one type of people: the uber rich. It is a documented fact that CEOs of companies who offshore get extremely high bonuses. They are not sharing any of that loot with the rest of us. Plus, it is not only "lower jobs" being offshored. There is attorney, accountant, high level computer programming, etc. We, the taxpayers BUILT this infrastructure that allowed corporations to get rich and we, the taxpayers, pay enough taxes that allow the corporations to have all their tax breaks (aka corporate welfare). The traditional social contract was that the corporations would pay us back with jobs that allow us to pay our taxes. Not so anymore. They would rather pay people pennies on the dollar in corrupt third world banana republics that have NO infrastructure. Then the American worker is thrown on the scrap heap of the unemployed and the other taxpayers, not the corporations who sent the person's job overseas to people who pay no US taxes and do not live in the US and support the economy, have to take care of them (via UI which is temporary, welfare and food stamps if they cannot find another job). The corporation gets off scot free. That has got to change. If you think that consists of a "good deal for Americans" you are either one of the uber rich benefitting from it or you are very naive.

[shawn88]

This is complete bull, where is the supporting evidence to this? Bring up credible information that is proven, not made up, before you post a thread.

[Canerican]

I'm not uber rich, nor am I naive. At any rate, if it's so bad run for Congress on a platform of ending all outward FDI and offshoring of jobs.

You act like the corporations owe the American people something. They don't owe us anything, we should be glad that they haven't totally left this country with our enormously high corporate income taxes.

We ought to thank corporations by slashing the corporate income tax by 50% or more, they are the ones that hire average Americans, and they should be permitted to move none, a few, or all of their jobs overseas if that's what will make them more competitive in the world.

[Canerican]

Originally Posted by shawn88

This is complete bull, where is the supporting evidence to this? Bring up credible information that is proven, not made up, before you post a thread.

And what exactly did I make up?

[Port North]

Originally Posted by Canerican

What's wrong with offshoring some jobs? It allows us to get rid of the lower jobs, so we can focus on higher value created sector, and it keeps America competitive by allowing our companies to sell their products at the lowest cost possible.

For the few American jobs lost, the benefits are extremely good.

The problem is the geographic distribution of the jobs lost. Most are lost in parts of the country that are least able to replace those jobs with higher level ones.

It doesn't help Buffalo to lose manufacturing jobs even if a smaller number of high skill jobs are created in a places like Northern Virginia or San Francisco. It ends of concentrating wealth and job opportunities in a handful of larger metropolitan areas at the expense of the economies of small and mid-sized cities. That's why its bad for most of the working class of this country even if it benefits corporate America.