533K Jobs GONE! in November (buying, company, tax, money)

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by brokerdave

i agree. i think pushing the alternative agenda will be the only positive thing that can be done at this point.

a tax incentive to get commercial property owners to install solar panels on the roofs of retail outlets. freeing up the power grid.

support an infrastructure for natural gas, both liquid and compressed for the trucking industry and consumer auto industry.

i am no impressed with the "flex fuel" cars they are boasting as 50% of the fuel efficient cars they will have ready by 2012. ethanol is nice idea, but natural gas is already here. it doesn't need to be grown and farmed. natural gas conversions on gas on vehicles is cheap and easy to do. and they both can be used to fuel the car!

GM has had cars in south america using natural gas technology for 5 years. Honda brought out the first natural gas car this year to the US.

i am in favor of giving all the bailout big 3 money to honda and toyota. i bet we would see much better results.

Would you support an increase in the gas tax to go towards public transportation?
It would create jobs: bus manufacturers, trail manufacturers, bus drivers, rail drivers,etc.
The increase in the gas tax would also spur companies to create more fuel efficient cars.

I think cars will always play a role but I'd like to see Americans really have a choice when it comes to transportation. In some parts of the country, you pretty much have to drive a car to get around.

[Shuffler]

No psychological incentive for funding alternatives when oil plummets to ~$25/bbl, as some are now projecting.

complacency is king here in the USA...

more people need to wake the $#%! up....

[bchris02]

I have already lost my job. I saw it coming for months and it finally did in November.

Unemployment should top out around 30%, possibly higher. The Dow will cross gold somewhere in the 2,000-3,000 range. We should lose three quarters of our entire GDP before this thing is over. The next several quarters should see double digit declines in GDP.

It will probably take 20+ years before any kind of recovery can be expected. The only thing that got us out of the last depression was a world war, I don't think we'll be that lucky this time.

[gwynedd1]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

I wouldn't want to basically subsidize people buying their cars simply because they are in trouble. That isn't fair to other automakers who are also suffering in these economic times. Honda and Toyota's sales are down as well, not as much as "The Big Three"'s sales but they are down.
The Big Three are simply not making the kind of cars people want and right now, the fact that people aren't buying cars should be a small worry. We have bigger fish to fry...IMO.

I would never buy a Big Three vehicle anyway but if they get this bailout, my resolve will be strengthened. American consumers still have the say in this matter, they can still go under. We can simply refuse to buy their vehicles.

Hi LiveTodayLez08,

That was to save the big 3. I did not say that is what I want them to do. It is preferable to a bailout.
However I am for tax rebates and in some big numbers. The credit inflation was stealing wealth from the middle and lower classes. Now the game is to default on them. That is how debt money operates. I just want to reinflate on the other side of the tube and replace debt money. Again we are in a scam system that draws an inflation tax from the public or an asset confiscation scheme.

[Houston3]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

Would you support an increase in the gas tax to go towards public transportation?
It would create jobs: bus manufacturers, trail manufacturers, bus drivers, rail drivers,etc.
The increase in the gas tax would also spur companies to create more fuel efficient cars.

I think cars will always play a role but I'd like to see Americans really have a choice when it comes to transportation. In some parts of the country, you pretty much have to drive a car to get around.

We pay a 1% sales tax here for public transportation so NO I would NOT support a higher gas TAX.

[gwynedd1]

Originally Posted by LiveTodayLez08

Would you support an increase in the gas tax to go towards public transportation?
It would create jobs: bus manufacturers, trail manufacturers, bus drivers, rail drivers,etc.
The increase in the gas tax would also spur companies to create more fuel efficient cars.

I think cars will always play a role but I'd like to see Americans really have a choice when it comes to transportation. In some parts of the country, you pretty much have to drive a car to get around.

I would support a gas tax to go directly back to the tax payers. $-4-5 gas will help create those markets, keep buying power in the hands of people, and force real savings instead of currency hoarding which half people in this forum thinks is "saving". Sure we could have funded a cure for cancer, but look, my mattress is full of dead presidents

[trishguard]

Originally Posted by chet everett

Despite the spanking that all the Senators administered to the CEOs yesterday there is NO WAY that they wave "buh buh" to the automakers, the UAW, the suppliers, the dealers, and all the local constituents that would turn purple...

I think that people need to get a grip on the unemployment situation too. I mean for crying out loud the guy on Nightline, Terry Moran, said "in number and scale soup lines are not comparable to the '30s YET"... WTF?!? Is this guy off his rocker? Has he heard of WIC? Does he know that there are UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS? Food "debit cards" from the Federal Government"? I actualy shouted at the set "There are NOT GOING TO BE SOUP LINES YOU IDIOT!!!". My goodness, where do they come up with this?

If/when people believe that the vehicles being sold represent a good way to meet the challenges of needing a fuel efficent vehicle to deal with uncertain fuel prices AND sufficient room / safety to deal with families and trips to Costco people will buy cars. Right now there are not many cars out there that fit the bill. Those that do are not particularly affordable. Financial consideration enter into the calculation too -- wages have been flat, job security is low, borrowing is not easy as it was just a short time ago, but unless things are going to back to mule carts I really think that automobile manufacturing is a good bet for the long haul.

How long the Big 3 take to get to profitability is any bodies guess, but is rather unlikley that they are "as doomed as doomed can be"...

If you have a home or money in the bank but no job, will you qualify for wic? Or do you have to be living in cardboard box first?

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by Shuffler

4.5% interest rates on mortgages and $1 gas aren't going to save us. Who cares about 'saving' the auto industry when people have no money to afford new cars. Who cares about bailing out Wall St when nobody has money to invest. My net worth is down about 50% from where it was a year ago, but I'm keeping my head up and thankful to still have a good job.

Doesn't anger follow denial, or is it acceptance and then anger (?) but I think the Sheeple are still in that denial stage, rejoicing in cheap gas and our next Prez (who is getting a nice, warm, juicy sh*t sandwich dropped on his plate)

Either way, I don't think people are going to be very nice to each other when we collectively hit the anger stage.

well the auto industry will be saved. obama will create some faux infrastructure jobs which will lead to faux consumption and in 5 years when all the bridges, roads, hospitals, power stations are built, we'll be back to square one. our economy has been overstimulated for so long with serious unintended social, environmental and economic consequences. i think we should take our lumps now. the last thing that we need as a country is more debt.

on your second point, i don't think people have been very nice to each other for a long time. we've been chasing 'gratification' for so long we've forgotten about family and community. i do think that desperation will lead to crime, aggression etc but the optimist in me thinks that every cloud.....

[bbkaren]

Originally Posted by 58robbo

...i think we should take our lumps now...

I agree. I believe it's just wrong to leave them for our grandkids who didn't even get to benefit from the bubble we've been in.

[chet everett]

Originally Posted by trishguard

If you have a home or money in the bank but no job, will you qualify for wic? Or do you have to be living in cardboard box first?

Income Eligibility Guidelines 08-09

Good Luck to you!