How much do you think socialism will cost? (foreclosure, companies, interest)

[HeyHolliday!]

Where have you guys been the last 30 years. We have been socialists for quite some time.

[Stac2007]

Originally Posted by JMadison

Amen.

Yes but even in the face of more job losses out sourcing is still going on. Mark my words, one day all GM cars will be coming out of Asia.

[goodbyehollywood]

A lot of GM cars come out of Asia and Brazil now. American legacy costs simply do not allow them to be competitive here. Trying to run a profitable company in a global market, while being patriotic by meeting the no-longer-feasible demands of the UAW puts a business at cross purposes.

[GregW]

The real socialism in this country became apparent when the government, under bush, bailed out all the speculative bankers. We have had socialism for the rich and connected for decades while the rest of us are at risk of financial disaster if our sacred employers decide to ship our jobs someplace where an unqualified peasant tries to get it done. It amounts to socialism for the connected and a rigged market for the rest of us.

[Houston3]

Originally Posted by Randomdude

The point is, people who keep blabbing about the huge cost of socialized medicine, neglect to see that, likely, we could REDUCE the cost per person we are spending by socializing.

With socialized medicine, nobody will ever pay $15 for a tylenol. That is fact. Removing profiteering healthcare conglomerates and the worthless third party insurance beauracracy out of the picture would reduce costs by half, at least.

"nobody will ever pay $15 for a tylenol"

There's no such thing as a $15.00 tylenol, and you should know that...

I'll give you time to think about it and if you can't figure it out DM me and I will explain it to you...

[killer2021]

50,000,000 paid in blood.

Look up Mao Zedong cultural revolution.

China - Chairman Mao Declassified .

What people don't realize is that socialism is the collectivization of everything. It is one of the most efficient ways to use human labor. The government feeds you, you work for the government, and the government owns everything. Basically they give you the bear minimum, work you to the bone and then keep the excess for themselves. Just look at China.

[chuck22b]

Originally Posted by goodbyehollywood

A lot of GM cars come out of Asia and Brazil now. American legacy costs simply do not allow them to be competitive here. Trying to run a profitable company in a global market, while being patriotic by meeting the no-longer-feasible demands of the UAW puts a business at cross purposes.

So, who are going to buy these said cars? Brazilians? Mexicans? Asians? The Chinese are creating their own cars which are even cheaper than those of GM. Indians are building something even cheaper as well.

We have a demand problem in America and the world. Without credit, Americans are just pretty much empty suits.

Thank you Corporate America for your short sightedness. America has been hollowed out.

[goodbyehollywood]

Originally Posted by chuck22b

So, who are going to buy these said cars? Brazilians? Mexicans? Asians? The Chinese are creating their own cars which are even cheaper than those of GM. Indians are building something even cheaper as well.

We have a demand problem in America and the world. Without credit, Americans are just pretty much empty suits.

Thank you Corporate America for your short sightedness. America has been hollowed out.

I didn't say anybody was going to buy them; I simply stated that GM is making cars there.

Of course America has a demand problem. American companies do not make products people want. And American products cost too much in a global marketplace, because American workers demand high wages and endless concessions at ALL levels of the production chain. Take away the unions, outrageous executive compensation and non-performance bonuses and American companies can be competitive. Yes, quality of life will slip, but guess what-- we're already on that path. The days of fat pensions and good health insurance (and dental, vision and disability) have gone the way of flying first class and having a big expense account and a nice company car. They won't be returning. People will be lucky to get social security, until that, too, disappears.

Corporate America has a top and a bottom. The disgruntled are quick to point fingers at the top, when the problem lies equally at the bottom. Greedy at the top, entitled at the bottom and the middle is being whittled away. That is the new America.

[GregW]

GBH - What you have proposed is complete and devastating depression. That is the stuff of revolution!

I suggest we close our markets to underpriced goods manufactured beyond the oceans with countervailing tariffs and restart manufacturing our goods for ourselves. We could fund it by diverting military industrial subsidies into domestic goods instead of war toys and endless spending defending other people defunct empires. Force the Indian's and Chinese built their stuff for themselves and pay their workers enough to buy it. We will do the same. It is past time to knock off this "free trade" nonsense and set our own economic house in order.

We provision to provide basic living costs and health care for everyone before anyone gets rich. Let the investors and executives maintain a semblance of a class structure but at a much reduced differential. Then people will work for a decent wage in a safe workplace and have enough to save for their new cars and down payments for houses.

The FIRE economy has nearly burned our economy to the ground. We need to put the rest of the FIRE out and get back to savings, investment and production. Right here and right now.

[Thatguywho]

Originally Posted by bentlebee

so start preparing if Obama succeed's to have socialized health (s)care, and all of his other socialism plans.....

could you elaborate exactly what you mean by socialist plans and socialist medicine?

The pledge of allegiance was written by a national socialist but the word brotherhood was taken out and nationalists adapted it as our pledge. Until the Nazi's the salute, for children and adults, was akin to the nazi salute but instead we now put our hands on our heart.

I hear a lot about 'socialist agenda' but I have not seen anything yet in details, can you link something?