Low skill jobs pay less every year (adjusted to inflation)

[wheelsup]

Maybe. But it seems more and more people around me are getting better and better jobs and I am the only one stuck with the crap jobs.

[Rei]

Hell, you can already pretty much buy an MBA from schools like Phoenix Online, its not too much longer before you can do the same from real deal brick and mortars.

UoP MBA doesn't get you a job, while a USC, Oxfoard, Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Cal, LBS, LSE and the likes MBA get hooks you up with a job in that ibanking firm in wall street, making $250k/yr to start.

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by Rei

UoP MBA doesn't get you a job, while a USC, Oxfoard, Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Cal, LBS, LSE and the likes MBA get hooks you up with a job in that ibanking firm in wall street, making $250k/yr to start.

Well, youll probably never be able to buy an MBA from those schools (unless you are in the secret handshake club of the school), but people with MBAs from there are a small minority, and they mostly get their high paying jobs from their alumni and family connections, rather then the fact they simply got an MBA from one of those colleges.

People with the right connections will never have a problem getting a good job, no matter how the economy swings.

[Rei]

People with the right connections will never have a problem getting a good job, no matter how the economy swings.

No duh?.... LOL ;p

[mpyne]

Originally Posted by Randomdude

Well, youll probably never be able to buy an MBA from those schools (unless you are in the secret handshake club of the school), but people with MBAs from there are a small minority, and they mostly get their high paying jobs from their alumni and family connections, rather then the fact they simply got an MBA from one of those colleges.

People with the right connections will never have a problem getting a good job, no matter how the economy swings.

Republicans think all rich people became that way through their hard work only. They think the playing field is actually level and that everyone has the same opportunities as them. lol

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by mpyne

Republicans think all rich people became that way through their hard work only. They think the playing field is actually level and that everyone has the same opportunities as them. lol

Good luck trying to explain that life is largely based on luck, which limits your choices and options, and those are the only parts of your life you actually have any influence over.

I would recommend the movie Forrest Gump. This is a perfect example of how real life works. What if Forrest couldnt run fast? Then he wouldnt have went to college, wouldnt have met the Army recruiter, which is how he met Bubba, who gave him the shrimping idea. If he wasnt injured in battle, he would have never picked up a ping pong paddle, which allowed him to buy a shrimping boat. He wouldnt have met Lt. Dan, or saved him. If it werent for him meeting Jenny, he wouldnt have ended up in NYC where he met Lt. Dan again, who helped him with shrimping and invested his money in Apple, etc.

Some would say, well Forrest was clearly smarter, better then and worked harder then everyone else, and thats why hes wealthy.

Others would say, he was simple guy, who got dealt a number of lucky hands, and played them well.

Its amazing how hard it is to convince the people that believe the former, that the ladder is the reality of the situation.

[cardinal2007]

Originally Posted by Randomdude

Yep, until microbiology becomes the flavor of the month, your profession gets flooded, and you watch the prevailing wage of your job get stomped in to the ground. Youll probably get laid off for someone working for 1/3 of your wage. But hey, you can always go back to school, throw the dart at the board again, at your own expense of course, and hope you get lucky.

Back in the mid 80's, you couldnt pay people to be computer scientists. In the mid to late 90's, when computer scientists were making 6 figures, everybody wanted to be a computer scientist. Then the tech bubble burst. Now computer scientists can be had for 50k a year, or even less, and there arent enough jobs after the H-1B's get their cuts, to cover all the new comp science grads. There are MANY comp science grads working some help desk for $12 an hour, with a 20-40k dollar education under their belt.

Oh wait, I get it, guy who went in to computer science chasing the bucks in 1996, should have looked in to his crystal ball, and saw the tech bubble pop, and changed his major immediately!

This certainly does not represent the state of the computer/software programming employment. Due to the current economy there may be people that are having trouble finding a job today, but if you were looking for a job 2/(2 1/2) years ago there were lots of companies looking to hire people bidding up wages. I can tell you what CS grads make, and with a Bachelors 50k is considered a low starting salary, though with this economy beggars can't be choosers. Still except for 2003 and this year it would be considered low. (Also 20k-40k education is a relative bargain, for the schools I went to full tuition for 4 years would've been 110k, and 145k respectively during the times I attended.) It is also possible to get a job programming without any formal education in it, I know plenty of people who have done that, they don't make as much as the college grads I know for the most part, but they do okay. In fact my father has no formal education in computer science, but yet makes a very good living out of it, a lot more than $50k/yr too. He studied nuclear engineering, which is not at all related. I could ask the schools I went to how many of their graduates are getting jobs, and about current salary information, which might be more informative than what you're saying. I'm not sure what you're saying is even true, I'm sure you can get some programmers for only $50k, but what they know and their skills might not be what you are looking for, I could tell you stories about the luck some of my employers have had hiring people.

Anyway I thought I would give you all a more fair assessment of the employment situation for programmers. Which is not an employment in which all people have a BS in CS btw, other people have migrated to jobs doing it after studying something else.

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by cardinal2007

This certainly does not represent the state of the computer/software programming employment. Due to the current economy there may be people that are having trouble finding a job today, but if you were looking for a job 2/(2 1/2) years ago there were lots of companies looking to hire people bidding up wages. I can tell you what CS grads make, and with a Bachelors 50k is considered a low starting salary, though with this economy beggars can't be choosers.

Ask Dr. Salary: Jobs for Computer Science Degree Grads Going Up, Up


The median starting wage for computer science was 53k in 2007. This means that probably about 30-40% of computer science majors were offered less then 50k when searching for a job 2 years ago.

Originally Posted by cardinal2007

It is also possible to get a job programming without any formal education in it, I know plenty of people who have done that, they don't make as much as the college grads I know for the most part, but they do okay.

Yeah, if you started in the field before 1993, or you start your own software company or are good friends with someone who did. Its pretty much impossible to even get your foot in the door with any mid to large size firm without at the absolute minimum a bachelors degree.

Originally Posted by cardinal2007

which might be more informative than what you're saying. I'm not sure what you're saying is even true, I'm sure you can get some programmers for only $50k, but what they know and their skills might not be what you are looking for, I could tell you stories about the luck some of my employers have had hiring people.

If you check the bottom of this link

Ask Dr. Salary: Jobs for Computer Science Degree Grads Going Up, Up

it has a payscale updated every day, and according to 21,223 people, college grads make about 51k, and it takes about 5 years of experience to get out of the 50's.

The fact is, you can get more then just "some programmers" for 50k, you can get probably 50-60% of all new grads, and probably about 30-40% of all programmers with less then 5 years experience.

[texdav]

To tell you the truth low skiled positions wre pretty much a teen partimejob when i grew up same as minimum wages jobs.But in years past many teen parents stopped letting them work alot of these jobs for safety as well as the fact parents gave their children more.