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Old 07-27-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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So you have a large population of single men aged 18-35 with lots of disposable income aggregrated in a small area - think it goes without saying that drug use, gambling and alcoholism would not be "uncommon". That's called demographics. If these are activities that you don't care to engage in then that is your perogative... they aren't foisted upon you.

On the flip side there are also many upscale "dry" workcamps and a good proportion that perform mandatory drug/alcohol testing. Fail and you're fired.

Yes there are lots of jobs in the field, but an equal amount of employment opportunities are in the cities that support the field... Edmonton, Red Deer, Medicine Hat and Calgary. Calgary has the highest concentration of head offices in the country. As for higher salaries - the main drivers of employment in Calgary are energy, transportation, finance, technology, health care and to a growing extent, Film and television. Many of the jobs, especially in energy, require specialized post secondary education. I can't walk down the street without bumping into an engineer - it's a city filled with iron pinky rings and the salaries that go with them.

I'm always amazed by people who make a claim based on something that they have "heard" or something that they have "read". So if someone logs on to city data and happens upon this thread and reads your post... they could now go on to spread the mis-belief that AB is a cesspool and Calgary is a boring city. Charming.

Making a claim that Calgary is not exciting or hip is sad when you admit that you have never been here. What makes a city exciting or hip anyway? Do you have a specific formula?

Calgary has "hip" districts: 4th street, 17th ave and Kensington for example. Calgary has an extensive network of paved trails for biking, rollerblading, jogging, etc as well as 150 off leash areas for dog owners. Calgary hosts 2 world renowned events: The Calgary Stampede and the Global Petroleum Show as well as numerous small festivals (Lilac festival, Sun and Salsa Festival, Folk Fest, Calgary International Children's festival.... etc.) Calgary has Canada Olympic Park, The Glenbow Museum and, the under construction, National Music Centre. Calgary has enviable proximity to the Rocky Mountains - I can get to the centre of Banff from my house in an hour.

You know I could go on... and on... and on... but why? You have heard something, so it must be true and worth repeating.
Both you and fusion are wasting your logic on this one. Being an Ex-pat Canadian, anything not fitting his narrative of why he left will not be acceptable, yet those reasons he left are the very things that are serving to make Alberta a rising star.
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Old 07-27-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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^^^ Thanks for sharing info on Calgary. All the people I knew who have been to Calgary and said it was boring were based out of a much bigger city, Toronto, so perhaps the bar is too high. So that made me conclude people are moving there more for higher incomes, not so much for the city itself. Same can be said of people who work in Dubai. I'm sure the city will improve over time, it has to. I'm thinking about a trip to Banff in the next couple of years so I'll keep your tips in mind to see for myself.

As great as oil & gas is for the Canadian economy, I am still personally quite concerned about the pollutive & other effects of the oil fields, and, yes, I have never been there but have read a lot of things about it. I have no idea how that equates to being un-Canadian to some.

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Old 07-27-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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As great as oil & gas is for the Canadian economy, I am still personally quite concerned about the pollutive & other effects of the oil fields, and, yes, I have never been there but have read a lot of things about it. I have no idea how that equates to being un-Canadian to some.
Protip: Don't believe everything you read.
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Old 08-01-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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Alberta's GDP is all about the billing, and is based on very small numbers of bodies employed. Remember when the Canadian Federal govt. was giving oil companies three dollars for every dollar they spent in the Beaufort Sea, 1980's?? Yeh, I had some friends working through Calgary up there. I spent more time with their wives than they did.

I asked my dad why he ended up in California (chief mechanic, Marine Pipeline and Dredging, Windfall, AB 1960) He said he'd rather change a cat starter motor in 105 F. than -45 below in a high wind. Anyone can weld, but can you do it in a high wind or muck from the butt down and mosquitoes from the rear upwards?

The Alberta GDP reflects the billing that's going on, including materials (tremendous amounts bought in the USA, by the way) and ghost or faux employment agencies and unions, which may pay 48. an hour and liveout but bill 330. an hour their price. You don't see that money: it goes into a few hands. Kind of like everywhere?

As far as drugs/booze/and party in your pants, there are some that keep the money. A very large number don't.
And like Rob Ford, you have to work with these idiots sometimes fifteen hours a day. That gets old really fast if you're anywhere near searching for "normal".

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Old 08-02-2014, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Back & Forth
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As great as oil & gas is for the Canadian economy, I am still personally quite concerned about the pollutive & other effects of the oil fields, and, yes, I have never been there but have read a lot of things about it. I have no idea how that equates to being un-Canadian to some.
Most people have the same environmental concerns. Its easy to point fingers at one place or province to make ourselves feel better, but as long as the rest of the country and world need to drive cars, heat/cool their homes, fly in planes and use any petroleum based products (which is in nearly everything!!) we are ALL part of the problem.

A partial list of products made from petroleum
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:22 AM
 
Location: BC Canada
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I do agree with that. The thing that bugs me about Alberta and Sask is that are the 2 wealthiest provinces but use coal for electrical generation more than any of the other provinces. Of all provinces that could afford to get off very polluting coal generation plants it's these two provinces.

While it is true that Calgary is not a particularly "hip" city, you do have to appreciate that it is still only a third the size of Montreal and a fifth the size of Greater Toronto. It may not be a very exciting city but it certainly is a very nice one. It's very liveable, has great transit, a nice downtown, lots of parks and trails, and has a surprising number of interesting areas with a lot more urbanity than the city is given credit for.
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Old 08-04-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Back & Forth
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^^^ One thing a lot of people don't know about Calgary, is that it is a very athletically inclined city. It may lack a night life (which I could care less about) but people aren't bored. Take a drive/walk around the city and you see people outside enjoying nature & life. Pathways are abundant, people are jogging & biking everywhere. The rivers are active with rafts and there is a giant playground to the west of the city called the Rocky Mountians. Its very exciting place to be if you like the outdoors...

Photo credits to : Canadian Photo Tours [url=http://canadianphototours.ca/2009/summer-almost-here]Spring in Calgary, Summer is just around the corner



View from Springbank, 10-15 minutes west of Calgary Photo Credit Doug Zwick

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Old 08-26-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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Bizarre to relate drug use, gambling, alcoholism, prostitution to the growing success of Alberta. If Alberta were in your new found land of the good ole U.S it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread for you.
It is not odd at all. He is not bashing Alberta but simply stating what usually happens at any boom town where there are a lot of single guys making a lot of money. It could be anywhere in the world.
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Old 08-26-2014, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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I have spent a lot of time in Calgary over the past several years. I have 2 nieces that live there. I actually like Calgary except it is so damn cold. Calgary has grown a lot even since my wife and I were there just a couple years ago. I spent a lot of time in Banff and Jasper National parks which are very scenic.
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Old 12-06-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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The Alberta boom economy could be a bust pretty soon if the price of oil keeps falling.
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