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Old 10-28-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Alberta would be more than welcome to join the US as the 51st State !!
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Old 10-28-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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No thank you. Cannot understand why we would want to, giving up healthcare and better schools and social safety net for the right to need guns for safety? And to become a small fish in a large pond?

Charles can you think of a good reason for Alberta as a province to pull out of Canada (you fought a bloody war for States that tried to do that in your own country) to join yours. As an Alberta for 58 9f my 67 year life I cannot. We would also loose both medicinal and recreational grass use.
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Old 10-28-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: S.W. British Columbia
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Alberta would be more than welcome to join the US as the 51st State !!

Why would Alberta be welcome? What's in it for Alberta if it joins USA?

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Old 10-28-2018, 10:51 PM
 
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I want all of canada annexed. we could be bigger than russia
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Alberta would be more than welcome to join the US as the 51st State !!
Be careful what you wish for.

First, I doubt that many Albertans would wish to join the US. Give up single-payer health-care (no co-pays, no deductibles, just show your card), and give up subsidized post-secondary education that doesn't put us into crippling debt? No, that just wouldn't sit well with most Albertans of my acquaintance. Beyond that, there's the fact that most Albertans are perfectly fine with gay marriage, legal abortion, and reasonable gun control.

Although as a US state, Alberta would add two seats--and votes--to the US Senate, and a few (not sure how many) seats to the House--and then there's the limit of 438 seats in the House, which would have to be changed, as Albertans would not accept being gerrymandered out of Montana. In the end, I don't think you'd find Alberta to be as conservative as you'd like it to be.

Like I said, be careful what you wish for.
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Old 10-29-2018, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Evanston & Lake Forest, Illinois
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Be careful what you wish for.

First, I doubt that many Albertans would wish to join the US. Give up single-payer health-care (no co-pays, no deductibles, just show your card), and give up subsidized post-secondary education that doesn't put us into crippling debt? No, that just wouldn't sit well with most Albertans of my acquaintance. Beyond that, there's the fact that most Albertans are perfectly fine with gay marriage, legal abortion, and reasonable gun control.

Although as a US state, Alberta would add two seats--and votes--to the US Senate, and a few (not sure how many) seats to the House--and then there's the limit of 438 seats in the House, which would have to be changed, as Albertans would not accept being gerrymandered out of Montana. In the end, I don't think you'd find Alberta to be as conservative as you'd like it to be.

Like I said, be careful what you wish for.
I don't know what Alberta you are from, but the Alberta of my childhood (not too long ago) was a right-wing haven that made some 'red states' look progressive.

Quebec would be the most likely '51st state....'

In all seriousness, Puerto Rico is the most likely 51st state, already a U.S. territory. Unfortunately, I don't think the United States will want to take on the financial burden that Puerto Rico already presents the mainland. Puerto Rico's politics are also unpredictable (they have elected a mix of Republicans and Democrats), but they'd likely be reliably Democratic if mainland Puerto Ricans political allegiances are predictive of the future state's leanings.
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Old 10-29-2018, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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I don't know what Alberta you are from, but the Alberta of my childhood (not too long ago) was a right-wing haven that made some 'red states' look progressive.
I live in Alberta right now. I guess things have changed since you left.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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There was more interest in the 1970s in Alberta joining the USA when the oil sands was leading a booming economy. As often happens around the world when a lightly populated area of a nation is supplying natural resources to a heavily populated portion of the country where they feel that they don't have proper control of prices, the people get restless.

Alberta residents felt more in common with their Montana and Wyoming neighbors than they did with fellow countrymen in Ontario and Quebec.

But I think that sentiment peaked 40 years ago. While it may never totally vanish, I doubt that the secession of Alberta will ever happen.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: USA
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The U.S. doesn't want Alberta, just their energy, and that we can just buy. Why introduce more socialism into the U.S.? It's not a good fit.
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Old 10-29-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I don't know what Alberta you are from, but the Alberta of my childhood (not too long ago) was a right-wing haven that made some 'red states' look progressive.

Quebec would be the most likely '51st state....'
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Why Quebec? It's quite a bit to the left of Alberta on most issues.
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