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Old 07-03-2010, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Isn't it true that if they serve active duty, they can become citizens faster? I don't know much about how this works or if it's true at all. I think it's only in the Marines they can serve in.
I really am not sure either, but I was just making a point, how many would want to fight for America in order to stay? I bet not a hell of a lot of them. yes, I do think some branches, it might be the marines do allow non citizens to join...and yes, I would imagine that would lead to citizenship.

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Old 07-03-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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Isn't it true that if they serve active duty, they can become citizens faster? I don't know much about how this works or if it's true at all. I think it's only in the Marines they can serve in.
They can serve in any of the services, provided they're in the country legally and meet other necessary criteria. I believe their service cut the residency requirement of at least five years to apply for citizenship down to two years with that many years of honorable service.

Back in the days of the draft, foreign citizens in the states with green cards could be drafted, and were. In 1966, one of my Basic Training fellow troops was from England and had only been in-country two months when he was drafted.
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Old 07-03-2010, 03:20 PM
 
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Tell ya what, for all of you who think illegals should be allowed to stay or those who don't want to have them stopped at the borders, why not let them in, but the criteria, they have to join the US Military and be willing to either serve in the mid east or serve on the border, of course receiving military benefits, but enlisted personel pay as well. Let's see how many are going to want to stay?? Maybe we can get the borders cleaned up afterall...

Nita
I don't know the answer but I think a lot of them will! They already do some of the most dangerous and dirty jobs in US. But the question is how many native born, jingoists will do so? Any chances that Bill O'Reily and Hannity joining the army??
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Old 07-03-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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I really am not sure either, but I was just making a point, how many would want to fight for America in order to stay? I bet not a hell of a lot of them. yes, I do think some branches, it might be the marines do allow non citizens to join...and yes, I would imagine that would lead to citizenship.

Nita
You really love talking about hypothetical situations! But of course will avoid any logical argument. Arizona didn't just pass an unjust law, they also banned ethnic studies, they are removing murals which shown brown faces and so on and so on! A generation of kids in AZ won't be taught about important events in US history and our multicultural heritage! And of course none of these are inspired by racism! I can see this might be acceptable Arkansas but most people in CA will find this shocking and objectionable.
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Old 07-03-2010, 03:42 PM
 
Location: New York, NY, USA
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Reagan and his administration tried pretty much exactly what you are saying and look what we got? I am not sure what you mean, by when people apply for a visa? There is an attempt to keep immigration at a managable level so many do wait several years to enter our country. Most do not break the law to get here though. And you mention become citizens, another issue. A good number of those who are here illegally could care less about becoming citizens. heck a lot of them return to Mexico every weekend or they send their money back home. They are here for what they can get from Americans, cut and dry.

Nita
Immigration authorities take too long to allow citizens in this country, which is one of the reasons for the influx of illegals. We are not only getting Mexicans into this country. We are getting many people from Asia, Russia, Africa, The Caribbean, etc., etc., so lots of them are breaking the law to get here, and that is attributed to Immigration Authorities taking too long to clear the paperwork.

Any foreign person that leaves their country to come to this country will have a process of assimiliation that will take several years, and that includes yearning for their own country. ............This is a normal process.

It is similar as to when people in the USA move from one city to another. They MISS their roots, and takes them several years to get acclimated to their new CITY. Illegals or legals are no different.

And every poor foreign person that comes to this country, comes here to make money, so they can send back home. And yes, many of them want to be Americans, and become citizens, but is hard to do, when they are here illegally.

We need to straighten and take control of our borders. We need to change the laws, and stop passing the buck from one state to another. The problem is not being solved, and will never be solved..........unless we make changes.

I still feel that the illegal population, after being here for some time, should be allowed to come forward, on their own merits, identify themselves, with no repercussions, and allow to get their paperwork in order, pay taxes with one social security number, or forced back to their country, with a one-way-ticket.

Our government is being WISHY-WASHY, and allowing the states to take control of the problem they started, to begin with. The result is putting one state against the other. This is not going to solve the problem, instead is going to create many others................
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Old 07-03-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I don't know the answer but I think a lot of them will! They already do some of the most dangerous and dirty jobs in US. But the question is how many native born, jingoists will do so? Any chances that Bill O'Reily and Hannity joining the army??
both Hannity and O'Reily are too old.

As for doing some of the dirtiest jobs, what makes you think all those in our country would not do some of those jobs now?

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Old 07-03-2010, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Tell ya what, for all of you who think illegals should be allowed to stay or those who don't want to have them stopped at the borders, why not let them in, but the criteria, they have to join the US Military and be willing to either serve in the mid east or serve on the border, of course receiving military benefits, but enlisted personel pay as well. Let's see how many are going to want to stay?? Maybe we can get the borders cleaned up afterall...

Nita
Enlisted pay is not bad. It varies by rank, but when I got out of the Army as an E4/Specialist, I was making close to $2,000 a month. I really don't think that's anything to sneeze at. The pay was even better in Afghanistan.

Unless they have at least a bachelor's degree from a university recognized by the US/military, they're not going in as officers anyway.
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Old 07-03-2010, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Enlisted pay is not bad. It varies by rank, but when I got out of the Army as an E4/Specialist, I was making close to $2,000 a month. I really don't think that's anything to sneeze at. The pay was even better in Afghanistan.

Unless they have at least a bachelor's degree from a university recognized by the US/military, they're not going in as officers anyway.
I am not serious about this, I am only saying, if these were requirements how many do you think would choose to come to America? My point is, offer them a chance to really be Americans and see how fast they head back to their native land.

As for the pay for enlisted personel, I think it sucks? How long were you in the ARmy to get out with $2,000 a month, plus even ,$2,000 isn't a lot to live on in some areas.

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Old 07-03-2010, 05:04 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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Enlisted pay is not bad. It varies by rank, but when I got out of the Army as an E4/Specialist, I was making close to $2,000 a month. I really don't think that's anything to sneeze at. The pay was even better in Afghanistan.

Unless they have at least a bachelor's degree from a university recognized by the US/military, they're not going in as officers anyway.
Love it! When I enlisted in 1966 as a Private I made $87.90 a month. As a Sergeant I received the exalted amount of $200.40. When I left the Army as a Captain at the end of 1977 I was raking in a walloping $1,464.60.

Glad to see the pay scales get a bit closer to reality!
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Old 07-03-2010, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Immigration authorities take too long to allow citizens in this country, which is one of the reasons for the influx of illegals. We are not only getting Mexicans into this country. We are getting many people from Asia, Russia, Africa, The Caribbean, etc., etc., so lots of them are breaking the law to get here, and that is attributed to Immigration Authorities taking too long to clear the paperwork.

Any foreign person that leaves their country to come to this country will have a process of assimiliation that will take several years, and that includes yearning for their own country. ............This is a normal process.

It is similar as to when people in the USA move from one city to another. They MISS their roots, and takes them several years to get acclimated to their new CITY. Illegals or legals are no different.

And every poor foreign person that comes to this country, comes here to make money, so they can send back home. And yes, many of them want to be Americans, and become citizens, but is hard to do, when they are here illegally.

We need to straighten and take control of our borders. We need to change the laws, and stop passing the buck from one state to another. The problem is not being solved, and will never be solved..........unless we make changes.

I still feel that the illegal population, after being here for some time, should be allowed to come forward, on their own merits, identify themselves, with no repercussions, and allow to get their paperwork in order, pay taxes with one social security number, or forced back to their country, with a one-way-ticket.

Our government is being WISHY-WASHY, and allowing the states to take control of the problem they started, to begin with. The result is putting one state against the other. This is not going to solve the problem, instead is going to create many others................
One word for you:BULL. you know as well as most of us, the majority are coming from Mexico, followed by Asia. Of course there are some from other places. As for the wait being too long, yes, it is a long process, which can be sad. But first, if one has to wait 3, 5 or 7 years and still wants to come, they are the ones that will be good Americans. 2-what about Americans wanting to go to other countries, what is that proceedure? I doubt you know and 3-you have to understand, America, like other countries can only take so many immigrants a year, there are many who believe America is the best country so there is a long wait and 4-many who come here illegally, especially from Mexico have no desire to really fit into the American culture, they want to take but not give back. If there were no benefits for them, such as government handouts, a large portion would never want to live here.

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