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Old 07-05-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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I just didn't really feel "at home" in SO CA as I got older...The culture changed so much through the years and "image" and "status" became "all and everything." It wasn't this way when I was small...Also I got tired of all the sprawl and non-stop development and the bumper-to-bumper traffic and crowds and long lines in stores etc...Life in CA just didn't fit me anymore and I decided to move away...to a small town in AZ...Now my "small town" has grown "big" and I am getting set to make another move before too long.
It might not be sbout CA.

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Old 07-05-2010, 10:40 PM
 
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I'm getting the same impression. I had found curmudgeon's posts stimulating but they're starting to seem characterized by little but sentiment with CA's past and discontent with its present. Losing interest.



+1, the rednecks that I've known would probably be thought of as "real nice folks" by some but to those unlike them, they don't fit any idyllic image.

As for their reaction to unlike-minded people, violence really could be the reaction, under the pretense of "setting things right" or some other crude expression.



You mean the freedom to be irresponsible and not think about how your actions might be detrimental to anyone or thing? You'll find that in "real America".

and.. here''s the most common misconception of environmentalism- that it's the California mentality. Well, no. Environmentalism, like any school of thought, has its origin in not just one place, if any. Academics and other participants in any discussion of environmentalism include people far and wide outside of California.

But.. never mind. You'll still refer to it as the California mentality.
Yes! I think we largely should have the freedom to be "irresponsible" -- generally speaking, nature and humanity have a way of taking care of irresponsible actions. But that is the subject of a deeper debate that I don't wish to enter into via this forum. And I know that environmentalism is not just a California concept, for goodness sakes! I'm just saying that, as a political movement (which often has little to do with love of the earth), environmentalism is out of control in California and is ruining our lives.
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:48 AM
 
Location: Southeast Idaho
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Why do you want to move out of California? If you've already moved away what were your reasons for leaving California? Just curious...Thanks.
If the OP is still interested, since it's gone a bit off topic, here's our reasons:

cost of living
crime
population density
weather
air quality

While we hope to never return as residents, I don't knock CA as it's another part of this diverse Nation and I know there are others who find it fits them perfectly
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Up in the air
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Yes! I think we largely should have the freedom to be "irresponsible" -- generally speaking, nature and humanity have a way of taking care of irresponsible actions. But that is the subject of a deeper debate that I don't wish to enter into via this forum. And I know that environmentalism is not just a California concept, for goodness sakes! I'm just saying that, as a political movement (which often has little to do with love of the earth), environmentalism is out of control in California and is ruining our lives.
But if your 'freedom' to be irresponsible destroys an entire species, pollutes a lake or ruins someone else's property (like what was done when my parents neighbors dumped used oil on his property and it flowed down to my parents garden ruining a good solid half acre of veggies.... Hey, it was his property, right?) the where do we draw the line?

I'm definitely not a 'rabid environmentalist' but I have noticed that a lot of people are stupid and selfish. As long as it's good for them, screw everyone else, and they will take the rest of us with them. Personally, I'm not okay with that.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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If the OP is still interested, since it's gone a bit off topic, here's our reasons:

cost of living
crime
population density
weather
air quality

While we hope to never return as residents, I don't knock CA as it's another part of this diverse Nation and I know there are others who find it fits them perfectly
Oddly I live in CA and have none of those issues.

Median Home price is 200K, women can walk alone at night in complete safety, low population density, we have four seasons and the air quality varies between good and pristine.

Perhaps the OP should ask why did you move out of the part of CA you were in. We all don't live in the greater LA area.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Southeast Idaho
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Oddly I live in CA and have none of those issues.

Median Home price is 200K, women can walk alone at night in complete safety, low population density, we have four seasons and the air quality varies between good and pristine.

Perhaps the OP should ask why did you move out of the part of CA you were in. We all don't live in the greater LA area.
Good point, guess I should have stated the reasons of why we moved out of the Fresno area
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Oddly I live in CA and have none of those issues.

Median Home price is 200K, women can walk alone at night in complete safety, low population density, we have four seasons and the air quality varies between good and pristine.

Perhaps the OP should ask why did you move out of the part of CA you were in. We all don't live in the greater LA area.
Median home price, $200K where do you live? This is not the case throughout California.

Nita
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:53 PM
 
Location: GLAMA
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Median home price, $200K where do you live? This is not the case throughout California.
Exactly, it's way high. You can still get into nice homes in the high desert for under 50k.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Median home price, $200K where do you live? This is not the case throughout California.

Nita
Note my Location.

Fact is, Central Valley, Eastern and non urban North CA are not expensive.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:25 PM
 
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Exactly, it's way high. You can still get into nice homes in the high desert for under 50k.
You just contradicted yourself, or attempted to make a joke and failed, or forgot a zero, or are poor beyond all belief.
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