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Old 07-12-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Miracle Mile
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Hey, you have the right to have a gun, it's already enough.

And OK, so, don't move in CA, I will not cry


Ho my God, I am a socialist, argh, don't kill me with your big american gun, argh!!!

Ni kidding, you are crazy, man.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:24 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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That's great. You are the type of person who SHOULD own a gun (if they want to). I'm not saying that no one should have guns. I just think that if someone gets all pissed off about a backround check... that makes me wonder why. You don't just walk into an office and get a driver's license.

I think a required safety course (or some sort of proof/test that you know how to safely use & clean your gun) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

I guess I just picture some wild-eyed, sweaty, crazy person (like Mel Gibson) in a gun shop yelling "What do you MEAN I can't have my gun in 5 minutes?! I need it NOW!! I NEED IT NOW!"

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That's a most unfortunate incident. However, from everything I've read, accidental shootings happen far less often than self-protection shootings. While one shooting like you descrtibed is one too many there is a lot of anecdotal evidence of people repelling assailants and thieves with legally held and/or carried weapons.

I have guns. My father collected them so I grew up with them. I started target shooting at an early age, followed by hunting. I served 12 years in the military and eight years in law enforcement. I'm knowledgable about and comfortable with firearms. I also prefer to err on the side of caution.

My wife and I are empty nesters. All but one of my guns are in a safe and/or have their actions safely lock so they can't be used. All but one is unloaded. If we leave the home either the loaded gun goes with us, with a proper permit, or is locked in a safe.

I can understand where you're coming from but not all of us can be painted with the same brush.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:34 PM
 
Location: LA
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if the difficulty for CA residents to obtain and keep a gun is the reason that the state is going broke, then i guess I was way off on my assumptions.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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That's great. You are the type of person who SHOULD own a gun (if they want to). I'm not saying that no one should have guns. I just think that if someone gets all pissed off about a backround check... that makes me wonder why. You don't just walk into an office and get a driver's license.

I think a required safety course (or some sort of proof/test that you know how to safely use & clean your gun) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

I guess I just picture some wild-eyed, sweaty, crazy person (like Mel Gibson) in a gun shop yelling "What do you MEAN I can't have my gun in 5 minutes?! I need it NOW!! I NEED IT NOW!"
Wow, what a response. The stereotypes are true.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:29 PM
 
Location: In them thar hills
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At a broader level, this is probably the most non gun friendly state, either that or we're tied with New York.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:03 AM
 
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At a broader level, this is probably the most non gun friendly state, either that or we're tied with New York.
I know. It's a shame. Those nutto laws run out so many decent people.

Not too long ago, several gun companies were in Cali.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
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That's really a very silly and uneducated response. Do you pay a $20 import fee for ever fork, knife, book and shoe you bring into California?

How many shirts, socks, shoes do you have? There should be no tax on such matters, and $20 a pop gets expensive, quick.



Perhaps Stalin or Mao is more your political guiding star?

Like I said, you're scaring decent people away, leaving only people like you behind who will continue to destroy the state with evil ideas.

What you're doing ain't working. More of the same is only going to dig a bigger hole. It's time to be a grownup and turn matters over to the men with grey hairs who will get things back on track over a Coke at the gun club. Too bad for California that these men live in other states.

If you ask real nice, and if you obey what they say, maybe you can get some of the adults from Oklahoma to come out and set you on the right path.
Please, leave your militia agenda where you live. If you complain about a $19 fee than by all means do not move to California because you will not like it here. Oakies are welcomed in California as always but gun-toking hicks will be very disappointed. Do yourself a favor, don't come!
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:36 AM
 
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You're scaring decent people from moving there. I just looked on the California Attorney General's website and saw that anyone who moves to Cali with a handgun has to pay a $19 fee for bringing a handgun into the state.

What?!?!?!?!?!

Is there a fee for bringing a couch into the state or a book, maybe a fee for each fork or knife? You can't tax my personal possessions. That's wrong, but anyone who would challenge it in court will just avoid moving to California and having it become an issue.

Gun owners are, more often than not, decent and productive people. You're going to push all these gun owners to the Southeast and Texas with these crazy laws attacking and punishing gun owners.
the $19 is to conduct a background check on all individuals seeking to register a gun in the state.

so I take it you don't think guns should be registered with the state? Maybe you think they should but think you shouldn't have to pay for it? You just want the tax payers to pick up the bill?

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Old 07-13-2010, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of the Aux Arcs
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Hey, you have the right to have a gun, it's already enough.

And OK, so, don't move in CA, I will not cry


Ho my God, I am a socialist, argh, don't kill me with your big american gun, argh!!!

Ni kidding, you are crazy, man.
No, actually I'm not. I'm a well-trained, experienced, even reasonably intelligent American who is exercising a Constitutional right.

So besides the right to keep and bear arms, which other rights provided by the Constitution do you think should be repealed or restricted?
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of the Aux Arcs
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That's great. You are the type of person who SHOULD own a gun (if they want to). I'm not saying that no one should have guns. I just think that if someone gets all pissed off about a backround check... that makes me wonder why. You don't just walk into an office and get a driver's license.
It's not an issue regarding the background check. That's a federal requirement upheld and uniform in all the states. Presumably, someone bringing a gun into California has already been checked by the state in which it was purchased. If they haven't then they've acquired the gun illegally and aren't like to declare it anyway.

If I decided to return to CA tomorrow, I would be bringing in two handguns, one of which I purchased in CA just three years ago. I underwent background checks for both and another when I was granted my concealed carry permit. Why should another be required. It's redundant!

For that matter, why a fee for each gun when only one background check will be conducted for both? Oh, that's right. It will take some clerk a minute or two to update the information CA already has on me from the former purchase.
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