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Unread 07-18-2010, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Might as well vote Republican as the Dems aren't doing anything their constituents want. Feinstein's just another DINO like much of the Obama administration. No courage of their convictions.
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Unread 07-18-2010, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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I'm still awaiting that glorious (but long delayed) day, when the politicians stop treating the issues that we are dealing with at this moment in time,
stop dealing with these issues in their traditional inept fashion. Where are the progressive politicians who will be worthy of being considered as the
George Washington's or the Thomas Jefferson's of this time? Why can't they understand that the entire system is teetering on the brink of collapse
while our self-sustaining government grows larger and much more dependent upon, "We the people", than ever before? Just where are their heads,
(not to mention), their hearts?

Who needs a president or a governor, senator, representative etc., that fails to feel for the people and to truly understand the situation that
America is in today? When are they going to hold a "let's get down to business" summit, create a "think tank", appointing another special czar,
(really strange title, huh?) and get down to the business of positive and progressive thinking?

And, as in your comment: <It's not a life or death issue for most people including myself.>,
That may be true for the most part, but when one stops to consider the tremendous drain on resources, that criminalizing marijuana has created,
while we drown in national and global debt, see our borders overrun, our prisons fill, and watch our political leaders run around in circles, like rats
or dogs, chasing their tails.

Perhaps the saddest commentary is this fact:
<"and probably don't care one way or the other about it">
Although they may not care about it today, let me assure you, there will come a day when they will have to care about it because the issue,
is not going to go away until it is positively and finally resolved.
Unless you know the real definition of a "progressive" politition be very careful. I, myself, would not only never vote for a "progressive," I would fight tooth and nail to make sure such "political bent" never gets into any political position. I like our Constitution just the way it is written, meaning not interpreted by "others." Our Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote and adopted the document as the foundation for this country. "Progressives" started evolving at the beginning of the 1900's and have cause a great deal of "misery" regarding the disregarding of our Constitution. Nuff said. Again, study the history.
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Unread 07-18-2010, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Might as well vote Republican as the Dems aren't doing anything their constituents want. Feinstein's just another DINO like much of the Obama administration. No courage of their convictions.
Your logic escapes me. Why would Californians vote for Republicans who view marijuana as the same as heroin? Just because some Democratic lawmakers are afraid to support marijuana isn't an excuse to vote for a party that views everything ass backwards!
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Unread 07-20-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Copiague, NY
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Unless you know the real definition of a "progressive" politition be very careful. I, myself, would not only never vote for a "progressive," I would fight tooth and nail to make sure such "political bent" never gets into any political position. I like our Constitution just the way it is written, meaning not interpreted by "others." Our Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote and adopted the document as the foundation for this country. "Progressives" started evolving at the beginning of the 1900's and have cause a great deal of "misery" regarding the disregarding of our Constitution. Nuff said. Again, study the history.
Progressive, (as I intended to use the term), was meant to indicate a move toward progress, the advancement of society on a positive note,
making progress where that progress is needed. As an antonym to digressive, my use of the word "progressive" was also meant to encompass
any politically enlightened soul who held the reins of power that might effect positive change, change like looking back at the last 80 years of
governmental control over marijuana and how, administration after administration, one political party control over another, we've neglected to
change our policy to suit this day and this age. Where is the legislator who will stick out his (or her) political neck and make a move to empty
the prisons of those marijuana users, guilty of victimless crimes?
Because the English language is a"living" language, evolving by the day with it's wide mix of ethnic contributors, it is easy to understand
my usage and the intended context of the word. I guess that if I'd used the words "enlightened or illuminated", it might have been a more acceptable
representation of my thoughts. And, as to my need to study history, I'm currently in the process of living through history and confirming the adage
that those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are doomed and destined, to repeat those lessons.
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Unread 07-21-2010, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Progressive, (as I intended to use the term), was meant to indicate a move toward progress, the advancement of society on a positive note,
making progress where that progress is needed. As an antonym to digressive, my use of the word "progressive" was also meant to encompass
any politically enlightened soul who held the reins of power that might effect positive change, change like looking back at the last 80 years of
governmental control over marijuana and how, administration after administration, one political party control over another, we've neglected to
change our policy to suit this day and this age. Where is the legislator who will stick out his (or her) political neck and make a move to empty
the prisons of those marijuana users, guilty of victimless crimes?
Because the English language is a"living" language, evolving by the day with it's wide mix of ethnic contributors, it is easy to understand
my usage and the intended context of the word. I guess that if I'd used the words "enlightened or illuminated", it might have been a more acceptable
representation of my thoughts. And, as to my need to study history, I'm currently in the process of living through history and confirming the adage
that those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are doomed and destined, to repeat those lessons.
Yes, well said. However, please understand I limited my discussion to the word "progressive" to the political arena. The "progressive" politician/s has/have been throwing this term around since the beginning of the last century and the underlying "meaning" of this agenda is horrifying and totally anti USA Constitution, but has been lost on the ensuing generations, as intended. Example, Obama's and Clinton's definition of "progressives" is far different than the dictionary definition. They keep the real agenda below the radar!
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Unread 07-21-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: LA
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Note I was not addressing DUI's or the police. I address the issue in the many aspects of life. One area that is super dangerous is the area of using heavy equipment on the construction site. There are many more that have nothing to do with DUI's and police. There are areas that affect the health, welfare and quality of life near and down the road.
anyone who decides to get high (or drunk for that matter) and use heavy equipment deserves what they have coming to them. it's just a shame when they hurt others. anyways, i don't see how the legalization of pot would encourage people to come to work high, coming to work drunk is unacceptable and booze is legal.
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Unread 07-21-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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anyone who decides to get high (or drunk for that matter) and use heavy equipment deserves what they have coming to them. it's just a shame when they hurt others. anyways, i don't see how the legalization of pot would encourage people to come to work high, coming to work drunk is unacceptable and booze is legal.
A drunk can be spotted immediately and sent home or better yet be fired on the spot. A druggie is not as obvious and can kill people on the job.
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Unread 07-21-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: LA
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A drunk can be spotted immediately and sent home or better yet be fired on the spot. A druggie is not as obvious and can kill people on the job.
not true. i've known alcoholics whose drunken state was barely noticeable to those who weren't completely familiar with the person. and with few exceptions, people who are high are usually very detectable as well (red eyes, eratic behavior, constant nose touching, enlarged pupils, etc.). i do agree that once weed is legalized that law enforcement will need to come up with tests to determine if a person is under the influence of pot if pulled over while driving. however, i would guess something is already in the works, there is too much money to be made for there not to be.
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Unread 07-21-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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not true. i've known alcoholics whose drunken state was barely noticeable to those who weren't completely familiar with the person. and with few exceptions, people who are high are usually very detectable as well (red eyes, eratic behavior, constant nose touching, enlarged pupils, etc.). i do agree that once weed is legalized that law enforcement will need to come up with tests to determine if a person is under the influence of pot if pulled over while driving. however, i would guess something is already in the works, there is too much money to be made for there not to be.
Sorry, but my statement are true. There are exceptions, but for the greater majority alcohol influence is far more apparent to the observer than any kind of drugs.

I know, because I have had to deal with it.
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Unread 07-21-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Former San Jose police chief Joseph McNamara slams Feinstein's anti-Prop 19 stance:

“I know Dianne Feinstein quite well from when she was mayor of San Francisco.I’m kind of stunned by her stance on this. It’s contrary to everything she talked about as a politician in San Francisco...[Feinstein's] position [as San Francisco's mayor] certainly wasn’t this law and order nonsense on stamping out marijuana".

Retired Top Cops Slam Arguments Against Legalizing Pot - Stephen C. Webster - Brave New Hooks - True/Slant
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